But why stop there? What about Beowulf or Chaucer, or the
Legend of Gilgamesh. It's obvious to me the Einkido was the
very first noir protagonist that we know of. He predates Cain
by a thousand years!
Patrick
--- uplandharmabooks <
uplandharmabooks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Patrick wrote:
> Surely,
> Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is the
template
> for all the noir novels that came after
it.
>
> I joke with my husband that Hamlet, Romeo
and
> Juliet, or Richard III
> was the first noir. LOL
>
> Amy
>
>
> --- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Patrick King
> <abrasax93@...> wrote:
> >
> > "On the Road" by Jack Kerouac, "Tropic
of
> Capricorn"
> > by Henry Miller, "The Grapes of Wrath" by
John
> > Steinbeck although there are murders and
other
> crimes
> > in that one, it's not really 'about' the
crimes.
> To be
> > truly 'noir' though, I think the character has
to
> be
> > driven to positively desperate acts in order
to
> > achieve a dream the reader can see clearly he
can
> > never achieve due to his character flaws.
Surely,
> > Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is
the
> template
> > for all the noir novels that came after
it.
> >
> > Patrick King
> > --- Michael Robison <miker_zspider@...>
wrote:
> >
> > > This was touched on earlier. Noir almost
always
> > > involves crime. Can you name any novels
that
> you
> > > consider to be noir that do not involve
crime?
> > >
> > > Thank you, miker
> > >
> > >
>
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