It took years for me to accept them, but Jim's broad definitions of noir and hardboiled won me over. In my opinion, other proposed definitions describe sub-categories.
--- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Patrick King <abrasax93@...> wrote:
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> I don't, however, think everyone else is wrong. Just the ones who disagree with me.
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> JIM DOHERTY
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> Is there anyone else here besides Jim who thinks that "noir" is defined entirely by "atmosphere"?
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> Patrick King
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