--- jacquesdebierue <
jacquesdebierue@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Knife in the Water is not Repulson or
Rosemary's
> Baby, nothing like
> them. Chinatown is subtle.
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director's stamp is on every film he makes however he may try
to break from his previous techniques. Knife in the Water is
a prelude to Repulsion. He had a little more money when he
made Repulsion. Polanski's use of camera is never subtle
though his plots are less black and white than Huston's for
example, leaving the audience with more to ponder. There is
not a subtle character in Chinatown. The whole movie is
painted in broad strokes. Even the problem of incest is
melodramatic. But the actual mcguffin is ecological and the
film itself poses questions about the morality of capitalism
which, even when it was made, were controvercial.
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> I don't think any these are noir films. The
angry
> young men cultivated
> a social-realistic type of film. The aspiration
was
> to make fiction
> that looked like a documentary. They were
quite
> successful. But
> thematically I don't see much noir in
them.
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"The angry young man" is the epitome of noir whether we're
talking Cain, or Thompson, Chandler or Sillitoe, Bogart or
Hayden. And the young men we're talking about are all totally
fucked in the end of every one of these stories!
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> As I said before, I don't think there are any
rules.
> A theme can be
> approached in countless ways and yet with
success.
> It can be
> approached subtly or flamboyantly or even
pushed
> towards the
> grotesque. The results can be great whatever
the
> approach.
****************************************************** Well,
if there are no rules to noir, why don't we call everything
noir? It seems to me most of our conversation are
specifically analyzing and trying to determine what the rules
to "noir" are. Certainly all of us have different ideas of
what fits into the genre and what does not. Personally, I
think Sillitoe's novelas are every bit as noir as Jim
Thompson's.
Patrick King
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