I think Elmore is one of the greats, and you shouldn't forget
the one who showed him the way: George V. Higgins. To me,
Westlake is one of the big influences. Lansdale has also made
a big impact, though he's a hard act to follow.
A real original is Woodrell.
Tapani Bagge
Patrick King kirjoitti 2.3.2007 kello 0.11:
> While you may be correct, I'm not sure you are, but
I
> see your point, Lehane's great success makes him
a
> mover and shaker whether we like it or
not.
> Inevitably, publishers and other writers are going
to
> move in that direction because it sells and
easily
> moves to other media, meaning greater revenue
for
> everyone. Ellroy, for example, as we've
seen
> repeatedly, is hard to translate into film. I'm
not
> sure any of Peace's work can be transferred
literally
> to film without the film maker basically having
to
> change the POV. Another great writer who is
making
> important advances in crime fiction is Elmore
Leonard,
> who uses humor liberally and very effectively
in
> contrast to horrible violence to make his
points.
> These guys do work with cohesive plots, but what
they
> do with characterization and social commentary, to
my
> mind, anyway, lifts them far above writers who's
POV
> is so complex it's not really clear what's
actually
> happening and what's only happening in their
paranoid
> world view.
>
> Patrick King
> --- Steve Novak <
Cinefrog@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Lehane excellent but yet vastly standard in
style,
> > plot line, character
> > development, subject choices,
ideology...etc...etc,
> > and that hardly makes
> > him one of �the new standards of the
noir
> > writing�...This is positively not
> > a criticism of him, on the contrary, but
an
> > innovator, a pionneer, a mover
> > and shaker of the new noir entity...he is not
and
> > certainly doesn�t pretend
> > to be in any of his interviews,
comments...etc...no
> > �new noir world view�
> > from him to come soon...
> >
> > I certainly think that Andr�s question was
much
> > larger than just an
> > analysis of the plots of any authors for
that
> > matter...the answer from Kerry
> > (earlier today) set us up on the way and we
should
> > welcome any other
> > suggestions...along those
parameters...
> > Steve
> >
> > On 2/27/07 5:18 PM, "Patrick King"
> > <
abrasax93@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My vote goes to Dennis Lehane. While I
enjoy Elroy
> > and
> > > Peace, their plots are so scattered I can
never
> > tell
> > > whether the endings make sense or not.
With the
> > > exception of Shutter Island, which is
brilliant
> > even
> > > though you don't know what's going on
until the
> > end,
> > > Lehane's novels make use of logical plot
evolution
> > and
> > > powerfully flawed characters. Of the one's
I've
> > read,
> > > he's about the best.
> > >
> > > Patrick King
> >
> >
>
>
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