Re: RARA-AVIS: Who changed the noir writing ?

From: Patrick King (
Date: 01 Mar 2007

While you may be correct, I'm not sure you are, but I see your point, Lehane's great success makes him a mover and shaker whether we like it or not. Inevitably, publishers and other writers are going to move in that direction because it sells and easily moves to other media, meaning greater revenue for everyone. Ellroy, for example, as we've seen repeatedly, is hard to translate into film. I'm not sure any of Peace's work can be transferred literally to film without the film maker basically having to change the POV. Another great writer who is making important advances in crime fiction is Elmore Leonard, who uses humor liberally and very effectively in contrast to horrible violence to make his points. These guys do work with cohesive plots, but what they do with characterization and social commentary, to my mind, anyway, lifts them far above writers who's POV is so complex it's not really clear what's actually happening and what's only happening in their paranoid world view.

Patrick King
--- Steve Novak <> wrote:

> Lehane excellent but yet vastly standard in style,
> plot line, character
> development, subject choices, ideology...etc...etc,
> and that hardly makes
> him one of �the new standards of the noir
> writing�...This is positively not
> a criticism of him, on the contrary, but an
> innovator, a pionneer, a mover
> and shaker of the new noir entity...he is not and
> certainly doesn�t pretend
> to be in any of his interviews,
> �new noir world view�
> from him to come soon...
> I certainly think that Andr�s question was much
> larger than just an
> analysis of the plots of any authors for that
> matter...the answer from Kerry
> (earlier today) set us up on the way and we should
> welcome any other
> suggestions...along those parameters...
> Steve
> On 2/27/07 5:18 PM, "Patrick King"
> <> wrote:
> > My vote goes to Dennis Lehane. While I enjoy Elroy
> and
> > Peace, their plots are so scattered I can never
> tell
> > whether the endings make sense or not. With the
> > exception of Shutter Island, which is brilliant
> even
> > though you don't know what's going on until the
> end,
> > Lehane's novels make use of logical plot evolution
> and
> > powerfully flawed characters. Of the one's I've
> read,
> > he's about the best.
> >
> > Patrick King

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