Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Noir Panel at LCC

From: Sandra Ruttan (
Date: 09 Feb 2007

I completely disagree. Whatever is said in a public venue is fair game for discussion. More importantly, I think that the one hope from it being discussed is that people will choose their words carefully.

I highly doubt there¹s a single person on this list that hasn¹t experienced the pain of gossip. To be honest I feel better knowing so many people have been willing to stand up and say, ŒThis was wrong.¹ There are far too many who will turn a blind eye and let others be kicked, say it isn¹t their problem. Far too many people who don¹t care as long as it isn¹t them being hurt.

And if anyone thinks it¹s being overdone, they¹re welcome to nominate themselves to be kicked on a panel in the future. God forbid that we should actually care about other people and take offense when they¹re hurt. Ken¹s post here made it clear that he has been deeply hurt by this. I, for one, will not dismiss that or discount it. It¹s real, and he sure as hell didn¹t deserve it. He has done nothing other than be one of the most supportive, encouraging people in the genre, who has done more for noir/hardboiled fiction than any other contemporary author. He is an inspiration, in both his writing and how he lives. I am so blessed to know him.

I don¹t think the apology should be first and foremost issued to this list ­ although I do think that the apology should be posted on DorothyL and 4MA as well in order to reach as many people who attended the convention as possible. What¹s really necessary is a direct apology off this list to Ken Bruen.

Not everyone on this list does know Ken, so they express their feelings here. For my part, seeing the outpouring of emotion over this topic has helped reaffirm a bit of my faith in the community at a time when it¹s been sorely tried.

Sandra Ruttan

On 2/9/07 4:26 PM, "Karen G. Anderson" <> wrote:
> However, this is the first time I've
> seen panel behavior discussed on a list, and I'm not sure it's a good
> thing, since so few people on the list have first hand knowledge of
> who said what...and how.

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