RARA-AVIS: Re: S鲩e Noire

From: al_guthrie65 ( allan@allanguthrie.co.uk)
Date: 22 Dec 2006


I don't think we're too far apart, Dave. I'm suggesting that anyone who's insane is ill-equipped to deal with killing someone, and you're suggesting that it doesn't matter whether they kill someone or not, they're still insane. Both statements are true.

I would say, though, that if you talk about characters confronting their own morality, I'm not sure what you mean if you're not refering to their choice as to whether they should kill someone or not. Which is back to my suggestion that it's all about a confrontation with death...

Al

--- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Zeltserman" <dz@...> wrote:
>
> Al, the point I'm trying to make is that these characters tend to
be
> remorseless, and for the most part they don't feel a hell of a lot
> of guilt or spend much time agonizing over the murders they've
> committed, and for the most part these don't contribute to the
hell
> they find themselves in--except for the consequences if they get
> discovered. I liked Mark's comments about characters being forced
to
> confront their own morality, and what they will or will not do to
> get what they want--I think that's spot on. Other forces other
than
> their conscience over their acts or worrying about their own
> mortality tends to land them in their private hell. Some spoilers
> below...
>
> In Double Indemnity, Walter Huff and Phyliss are completely
> remorseless about murdering her husband. They're screwed because
> they ended up in place where they're stuck with each other and
> suicide is the only way out.
>
> Hell of a Woman, Dolly Dillon is completely remorseless about
> killing the old woman and drunk laborer he set up as the fall guy.
> Psychically he's already damaged goods well before the murders and
> the robbery--someone who finds a way to make the worst of any
> situation, and his hardluck of losing the old woman's money is
more
> than enough to drive him over the edge. By the time he kills his
> wife, he has already slipped into insanity.
>
> Pop. 1280, Nick Corey is also completely remorseless over his
acts,
> and I don't see the murders causing the hell he ends up in.
>
> Swell-Looking Babe, the bellhop, Dusty, might somehow be
responsible
> for his dad's (and mom's death), and he might be facing his own
> impending death, but the hell he lands in is because he's lost the
> woman that he needs.
>
> While most noir books include a murder or two (or three), these
> characters tend to be remorseless, and the hell they find
themselves
> trapped in tend be caused by other factors--although fear of
> exposure for a murder could be one of them, but again, I see it
more
> as a spiritual death or loss-- the character has gotten to a point
> where salvation is no longer possible and they can't live within
> anymore within their own skin. Anyway, that's my take!
>
> --Dave Z,
>



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