On 10/5/05,Jess wrote:
>
> Well, certainly Blade Runner was enormously
influential on
> first-generation
> cyberpunk and was in turn influenced by hardboiled
novels, but the
> influence
> of hardboiled detective fiction goes beyond the
film. Where do you think
> the
> persona of the first-generation (which is quite
different from
> second-generation
> cyberpunk, to which my generalizations no longer
apply) protagonist comes
> from?
> The non-cyberspace milieu of first-generation
cyberpunk is almost always
> urban,
> and the protagonist is often a hardbitten, cynical
loner with a romantic
> streak
> and a firm code of ethics. Hell, even the early
cyberpunk
> novelist--Gibson's
> earliest, and his immediate imitators--were aping
Chandler's style.
I'm sure you'd agree that urban settings and cynical, loner
protagonists, in and of themselves, don't necessarily equate
to hard boiled. Aside from that, there has to be that thing
we call "style" to make it hardboiled. If Gibson and the
others were trying to write in that style, then I totally
missed it
'cause I don't see it. Admittedly, it's been some time since
I read those.
Tribe
-- http://tribe.textdriven.com/blog Tribe's Blog
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