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----------------- From: Tribe
tribexx@gmail.com
> No, not at all. I find very little of relationship
between so-called
cyberpunk and/or noir and/or hard boiled (aside from the fact
that they're books). I mentioned Jeter's Noir in that vein
because a hard-boiled style is self-consciously and
purposefully used as pastiche, as a prop for the the
story.
> Any claims to cyberpunk having hard-boiled
underpinnings can be blamed on
the Bladerunner film.
Well, certainly Blade Runner was enormously influential on
first-generation cyberpunk and was in turn influenced by
hardboiled novels, but the influence of hardboiled detective
fiction goes beyond the film. Where do you think the persona
of the first-generation (which is quite different from
second-generation cyberpunk, to which my generalizations no
longer apply) protagonist comes from? The non-cyberspace
milieu of first-generation cyberpunk is almost always urban,
and the protagonist is often a hardbitten, cynical loner with
a romantic streak and a firm code of ethics. Hell, even the
early cyberpunk novelist--Gibson's earliest, and his
immediate imitators--were aping Chandler's style.
I'm not saying that cyberpunk sprang directly from hardboiled
detective fiction. Cyberpunk grew from numerous sources, as I
mentioned previously. But to claim that cyberpunk doesn't
have hardboiled underpinnings is wrong.
jess
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