RE: RARA-AVIS: Nag, Nag, Nag Noir

From: Mark Sullivan (
Date: 22 Jul 2009

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    You know, Al, now that you call me on it, I think the devaluation of the term noir (through the form of neo-noir, which seems to be applied to every post-Tarantino crime film) is more a film thing than a book thing. As you mention, thriller seems to be the marketing laebl du jour for crime novels of any sort (for instance, I mentioned recently that Nick Stone's Mr Clarinet just seemed like a straight PI novel to me -- not a putdown). I'm probably stopping in a bookstore this afternoon. I'll have to look at the covers. Mark

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    > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:39:05 +0100
    > Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Nag, Nag, Nag Noir
    > Would you (or Kevin) provide some examples of these non-noir noir novels?
    > I'd like to see some evidence of this pro-active marketing. My experience is
    > that it comes from elsewhere, usually from reviewers and readers. I'd have
    > thought that noir is too narrow a subgenre for most big publishers to find
    > it attractive, hence the fondness for the 'thriller' label. Or is this issue
    > perceived to be specific to small presses? In which case, which ones?
    > Al
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Sullivan" <>
    > > Now, let's get on to the far more interesting question you raised, the
    > > dilution of the term noir to where it has expanded to apply nearly
    > > anything with a gun or a crime. I wonder if it will snap back somewhat
    > > when marketing moves on to another label, as rock and roll has (a bit).
    > > For a while, rock and roll applied to any and all music marketed to youth,
    > > but it's become somewhat more focused as its lost a bit of its market
    > > share.
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