Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Goodis...

From: Steve Novak (
Date: 28 Feb 2009

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    Thanks a lot mrt... Iım saving this and retain the argumentation for my next discussion with friends here, there and everywhere... Thanks again... Montois...

    On 2/28/09 1:30 AM, "jacquesdebierue" <> wrote:

    > --- In <> ,
    > Steve Novak <Cinefrog@...> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Really: Iım VERY curious to understand/investigate...why the
    > Goodisesı of
    >> > the US writing world never ³made² it...are there socio-political
    >> > reasons...but more importantly: are there economical
    > reasons...???...or just
    >> > simple fate?...
    >> > I have been told a few times by intellectual/literary Œauthoritiesı from
    >> > varied backgrounds that it can all be reduced to the influence of the
    >> > churches/religious entities/establishment....and their power in all the
    >> > publishing worlds...and their lackeys...i.e. the critics...????
    >> >
    > I don't know of a convincing explanation. Yes, there have been
    > powerful forces wanting to censor, but consider how many great
    > examples of film noir (including by Hammett, Caldwell, Goodis, etc.)
    > were made in the golden era. Consider the kinds of films that Martin
    > Scorsese and yes, Jules Dassin made, almost like documentaries and not
    > even showing the good side of society. So, there is in principle no
    > problem with such films, they were and are made and they are seen by
    > millions of people. Likewise, television series.
    > The canonization of books probably follows quite a different path. I
    > think there is evidence that "genre" literature is segregated. The NYT
    > still does it, though Leonard, for example, might be reviewed in the
    > "regular" section of the NYRB. Most others go to Marilyn Stasio, who
    > gives a brief review of three or four books, within the cage of
    > mysteries. How do schools and universities pick their canon? They seem
    > to follow the segregation model. For example, they don't put David
    > Goodis and James Sallis with Franz Kafka, as they probably should.
    > After all, Cassidy's Girl is going to feel pretty familiar to the
    > students, and it is as good an example of total insignificance and
    > defeat of the individual as Kafka's.
    > There is still the idea of the "great books", that somehow it matters
    > whether one reads the Iliad or not. It doesn't matter. If you read Jim
    > Thompson and not Thackeray, it's fine. If you read Italo Calvino and
    > not Shakespeare, that's fine, too. If you read Cormac McCarthy for
    > dystopias instead of Brave New World, that's fine, people will get a
    > lot out of it. Harold Bloom has had a bad influence on this great book
    > business. This attitude considers learning and course-taking as some
    > sort of badge of honor. It is nothing of the sort. Reading some good
    > books, maybe not that many, and thinking about them a lot, discussing
    > them, that's what it's about. Especially reading a little and thinking
    > a lot. No badge (frankly, thinking of education as a badge is ridiculous).
    > To be continued, my fingers are tired... Maybe yawl will get lucky and
    > I'll forget about the whole thing.
    > Best,
    > mrt

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