Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: The Dark Night. No, the Noir Knight. No, the Black Knight. Oh, good night...

From: Steve Novak (
Date: 27 Jul 2008

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     I'd call it instead hardboiled pulp with noir archetypes.

    What a wonderful Iım watching it again on MTV this Saturday evening..



    On 7/26/08 5:16 PM, "davezeltserman" <> wrote:

    > --- In <> ,
    > Kevin Burton Smith <kvnsmith@...>
    > wrote:
    >> >
    >> > SIN CITY was pretty pictures: nice to look at, but emotionally hollow;
    >> > PULP FICTION without the wit or grace or narrative muscle. If PULP
    >> > FICTION at its best aspired to BLACK MASK or DIME DETECTIVE, SIN CITY
    >> > quickly settled for 5 CENT AMAZING DETECTIVE STORIES or some D-list
    >> > pulp, barely worth the splinters, filled with stories by writers
    >> > several notches below Hammett/Chandler/Spillane wannabes (Hammett/
    >> > Chandler/Spillane wannabe wannabes?).
    >> >
    >> > As for it being noir, even if you want to waste your time arguing that
    >> > point, it was noir mostly by trope and rote; not so much written as a
    >> > list of noirish cliches checked off one by one, with big f/x-laden
    >> > "scenes" substituted for actual character development. Like a lot of
    >> > what passes for noir these days.
    >> >
    > Kevin, I take it you didn't like Sin City? That's too bad. Personally
    > I found it one of the funnest, most innovative and visually boldest
    > movies of 2005. I agree with you about it not being noir. I'd call it
    > instead hardboiled pulp with noir archetypes. About there being no
    > character development, well, I'm not sure a movie like this requires
    > intense character development, but I'd still have to think Marv and
    > Hartigan were interesting and in their own ways sympathetic even if
    > they were not much more than archetypes. D-list pulp? No, much better
    > than that. Sorry, but with this one I tend to side with nearly every
    > major movie reviewer that Sin City was a stunning achievement.
    > --Dave Z.

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