A few interesting points here."Your more hard-boiled and Nor
stories
usually take in place in less conservative locales" I
have never thought about it that way. A lot of the fiction we
are concerned with here involves the juxtaposition (clashes?)
between people of different class, colour, money, education,
status and sex.Some of it takes place in very conservative
locales indeed. One sport that there are a lot of crime
novels about is horse-racing. Anybody know any in this
category you could define as hard-boiled or Noir. How about
the gambling and casino industry?
Rugby ( correctly 'Rugby Union') and Rugby League are both
hard-played full-body contact sports. Both are currently big
money sports. Rugby Union has a lot of tradition and prestige
involved. Both sports inspire a lot of passion. In other
words I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be a fitting
subject area for Noir or hard-boiled fiction. I don't know of
any though. What about Grid-Iron ( As we name American
football in Australia?) Anybody aware of any football Noir or
hard-boiled fiction?
Charlie Williams"
cs_will@hotmail.com wrote,--- In rara-avis-l@
yahoogroups. com, Steve Novak <Cinefrog@.. .>
wrote:
> Anyone knows about crime novels with rugby in
them???...I know of
one being
> written at this time by a French author and
friend...but aside from
that???
Interesting question that had me wracking my brains to
no avail. In
the UK at least, I suspect that rugby is way to middle
class to allow
much dabbling in the murky waters of crime. There are
probably a few
PD James or Colin Dexter-style investigations that
touch on rugby or
its players, but that is because the mystery is
traditionally more
middle class (like rugby). Your more hard-boiled and
noir stories
usually take in place in less conservative locales, and
concern the
kind of people who... well, don't care about rugby.
Actually I'm just
talking about England here, not the UK. Rugby has a
different
demographic in Wales, and rugby league (as in This
Sporting Life, as
I recall) is staunchly working class.
Thinking about it, I can't think of many sports-themed
noir or
hardboiled stories at all (boxing and betting aside).
Hey, maybe it's
because teamwork and camaraderie keeps you on the
straight and narrow?
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