Re: RARA-AVIS: The definition of classics

From: Patrick King (
Date: 05 Nov 2007

So what you're saying, William, is that if you write anything other than genre, the work you write in genre cannot be compared to other genre writers? Certainly THE THIRD MAN is as good a noir novel as anyone ever wrote. Are you saying it doesn't count because Fleming, Spillane, Clancy & Cussler are not as talented at writing as Green is? Do thriller writers get a handicap? Green and, yes, Somerset Maugham too, wrote great genre work. How can you dismiss it or remove them from the discussion because they also wrote "serious" stuff?

Patrick King
--- William Ahearn <> wrote:

> --- Patrick King <> wrote:
> He wasn't only a
> > novelist
> > who wrote books with Catholic themes like THE
> Oh, who said he was? And no, I'm not kidding. You
> think Clive Cussler has The Power And The Glory
> lurking in his out box? I don't think so. To boot,
> there's a big difference between The Human Factor
> and
> Dr. No. (BTW, Greene and Fleming worked together in
> intelligence during the war, or something like
> that.)
> As for influence, Somerset Maugham wrote the first
> modern espionage novel that was critical of
> intelligence agencies that inspired Graham, who
> inspired Ambler, ad nauseum. Just because Greene
> wrote
> what he identified as entertainments doesn't lessen
> his other work. Or do you think that Tom Clancy is
> still working on his The Heart Of The Matter? Or
> which
> of those others on the list could write The Quiet
> American? No, I'm not kidding. Ian Fleming in the
> same
> league as Graham Greene? Now that's a joke.
> William
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