Re: RARA-AVIS: Types of noir (was Re: Pop. 1280)

From: IndieCrime@gmail.com
Date: 29 Jul 2007


GWTW and Casablanca can't be noir because the stories are too big. For noir the stakes have to be small. In both of those movies people are swept up in events beyond their control. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Vorzimmer" < jvorzimmer@austin.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:02:44 To:< rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Types of noir (was Re: Pop. 1280)

> And isn't that the essence of noir? The story begins with someone doing
> what s/he shouldn't and rest is finding out if a payment must be made,
> how screwed s/he is?
 
 I have a fundamental difference with most of the discussions here about the
 terms hardboiled vs. noir. I think you guys are taking a few very intangible
 characteristics of film noir and trying to create a definition of roman
 noir, which is a doomed excercise from the start. It's too broad and too
 intangible and, on top of that, you're reapplying it back to film. Using
 your definition of noir as applied to film, movies such as Casablanca and
 even Gone With the Wind, would be noir.
 
 I've mentioned this before but noir is a style of presenting a crime story
 on film. You seem to be overlooking this very important aspect of noir.
 Certainly crime is committed in the movie Casablanca and it has all the
 stylistic elements and story elements of noir, but it is a story of
 international intrigue and espionage, not a crime story.
 
 Jeff
 
   

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