Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Slightly OT: Ingmar Bergman Noir?

From: Steve Novak (
Date: 14 Mar 2007

Absolutely essential. I agree totally...a pessimisttic story (and whatever other adjective one wants to put there...check thy Thesaurus!) is positively not a ticket-to-noir...a whole concatenation of esthetics/style/treatment...has to enter into play for it to become noir something akin to what is �generally� recognized as �noir stuff�... keeping, of course, in mind that �noir stuff� is a very shifting concept both in time, in geography, in.../.../...
...hence: there are �noir elements� to many films, to many books, to many plays, to many operas...yet that does not make these films, books, or plays, or operas�noir� ones... could say exactly the same thing about �comical� elements, or
�dramatic� ones...this never black & white (bad joke)...

Steve Novak

On 3/14/07 12:47 PM, "Jacques Debierue" <> wrote:

> Perhaps we should not try to stretch noir to cover anything pessimistic;
> otherwise, the
> term would lose power rapidly.

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