Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Who changed the noir writing ?

From: Nathan Cain (
Date: 14 Mar 2007

On 3/14/07, vagrantpacific <> wrote:

  Ellis is way, way overrated. Jason Starr is Ellis with the ability to plot a story, create believable characters and write something interesting without relying on cutesy po-mo gimmicks.I don't know that Starr has changed noir writing (It's kind of early to tell), but he's a better chronicler of urban despair and nihilism than Ellis could ever hope to be.

--- In <>,
> DJ-Anonyme@... wrote:
> << Wasn't that hardoiled's revolution, that of
> > perspective? >>
> I keep thinking about Glamorama by Bret Easton Ellis. This book gets
> camoflaged by lots
> of humor and post-modern glitz, but the narrative perspective is totally
> Hammett inspired
> and played to the extreme, and the serious downward spiralling structure
> into absolute
> oblivion is straight up Jim Thompson. Ultimately I think Ellis swings
> things forward by
> pinning his noir onto relativism instead of the more old school Christian
> based nihilism.

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