Rob: I thought about doing White Jazz, which I adore, but, in
my experience, it's a little tough for undergrads (you gotta
kinda work your way up to that one, in the Ellroy continuum).
Plus, Dahlia riffs a lot on the cop-fixated-on-dead-woman
strand in hardboiled fiction that's a big topic in the class.
If it goes over, next time: White Jazz!
Best, Megan
-- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Robert Elkin
<rictusaporia@...> wrote:
>
> Prof. Abbott--
> If you're going to do an Ellroy cop novel, White
Jazz
> is the over-the-top example; Black Dahlia, while
a
> good read, uncovers no significant new ground,
in
> terms of form or subject.
> Just a note.
> Rob Elkin
>
> --- meganabbott2000 <meganabbott@...>
wrote:
>
> > Hi, again:
> > I use the films primarily for students to
consider
> > the different
> > adapative choices that were made and
possible
> > reasons why--e.g., the
> > romance btw. Marlowe and Vivian in Hawks's The
Big
> > Sleep vs. what we
> > find in Chandler. Or, as another example, the
shift
> > from the
> > mob-as-enemy in Kiss Me Deadly to the atomic
threat.
> >
> > Thanks for the fantastic suggestions---believe
me,
> > as this hits Mach
> > II, I will give Rara-Avis full
credit!
> >
> > --- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "George Tuttle"
> > <noirfiction@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > She does a great job in trying to make the
word
> > "genealogy" work. It
> > > could never be as easy as "Abraham begat
Isaac;
> > and Isaac begat
> > > Jacob." As a sidenote, it seems to me that
there
> > should be some
> > > mention of Edgar Wallace, somewhere, as
a
> > pre-hardboiled influence,
> > > since he plays such a part in the concept
of the
> > thriller prior to the
> > > hardboiled era. Also, I would prefer to
say, "Rise
> > of the Paperback
> > > Original." Paperbacks from 1939-1949 were
just a
> > repackaging of other
> > > existing media (mostly hardcover, with
some pulp
> > and a little slick
> > > fiction tossed in). Of course, there is
Spillane
> > whose paperback
> > > reprints did do much to change the status
quo, but
> > that would put the
> > > year as 1948, not 1939. Also, are Goodis
and
> > Williford's heroes really
> > > psychotic? I am very curious about her
definition
> > of hardboiled and
> > > noir (but aren't we all, always,
endlessly). That
> > said, her genealogy
> > > is better than anything I could create. I
liked it
> > and applaud her for
> > > attempting it.
> > >
> > > As for the syllabus, is anyone else
uncomfortable
> > with the use of
> > > films in a literature course or at lease
in the
> > choice of these
> > > particular films in a discussion of the
shaping of
> > the hardboiled genre?
> > >
> > > George the Librarian
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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