Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Hardboiled genealogy

From: Robert Elkin ( rictusaporia@yahoo.com)
Date: 07 Feb 2006


Prof. Abbott-- If you're going to do an Ellroy cop novel, White Jazz is the over-the-top example; Black Dahlia, while a good read, uncovers no significant new ground, in terms of form or subject. Just a note. Rob Elkin

--- meganabbott2000 < meganabbott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, again:
> I use the films primarily for students to consider
> the different
> adapative choices that were made and possible
> reasons why--e.g., the
> romance btw. Marlowe and Vivian in Hawks's The Big
> Sleep vs. what we
> find in Chandler. Or, as another example, the shift
> from the
> mob-as-enemy in Kiss Me Deadly to the atomic threat.
>
> Thanks for the fantastic suggestions---believe me,
> as this hits Mach
> II, I will give Rara-Avis full credit!
>
> --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "George Tuttle"
> <noirfiction@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > She does a great job in trying to make the word
> "genealogy" work. It
> > could never be as easy as "Abraham begat Isaac;
> and Isaac begat
> > Jacob." As a sidenote, it seems to me that there
> should be some
> > mention of Edgar Wallace, somewhere, as a
> pre-hardboiled influence,
> > since he plays such a part in the concept of the
> thriller prior to the
> > hardboiled era. Also, I would prefer to say, "Rise
> of the Paperback
> > Original." Paperbacks from 1939-1949 were just a
> repackaging of other
> > existing media (mostly hardcover, with some pulp
> and a little slick
> > fiction tossed in). Of course, there is Spillane
> whose paperback
> > reprints did do much to change the status quo, but
> that would put the
> > year as 1948, not 1939. Also, are Goodis and
> Williford's heroes really
> > psychotic? I am very curious about her definition
> of hardboiled and
> > noir (but aren't we all, always, endlessly). That
> said, her genealogy
> > is better than anything I could create. I liked it
> and applaud her for
> > attempting it.
> >
> > As for the syllabus, is anyone else uncomfortable
> with the use of
> > films in a literature course or at lease in the
> choice of these
> > particular films in a discussion of the shaping of
> the hardboiled genre?
> >
> > George the Librarian
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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