RARA-AVIS: Re: In defense of Saint Derek

Kevin Smith (kvnsmith@colba.net)
Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:04:44 -0500 Gee, Pete, in the interest of saving bandwidth, why not just say you liked
the book?

>Jeez, what a bunch of.....well forget that for a moment.
>One word: 'Gratuitous' - as in 'gratuituos violence'.
>Many things have been said about Raymond and partic. _Dora_
>but this is just wrong. Horrible as it is the violence has a very
>specific place and meaning in Raymond's books. To call it
>'gratuituos' is to miss the point - which is hardly surprising since
>most of you gave up after 30 or so pages. Why didn't you just say
>"I didn't like it" and leave it at that? Save bandwidth.
>Kev Smith is a good example of this (Hello Kev!):
>> As for Dora, I too, was rather unimpressed. I did manage to finish it,
>> though. The violence didn't bother me so much as the fact that I really
>> didn't care what happened to anyone in this strangely lifeless book.
>This is fair enough. It takes a lot to impress our Kev, clearly.

Well, I always try to be a good example. Thanks.

>Whether or not it is 'lifeless' is debateable but then Kev says..
>>Degree zero is right.
>> No doubt this was the writer's intention, and in that, he succeeded.
>Right, he succeeded in doing what he wanted to do. Terrible.

No, it's not terrible. He's to be congratulated. But it doesn't mean I have
to like what he succeeded in doing.

Oh, and degree zero was not a measurement of Raymond's talent, it was a
measure of the temperature of his prose. Mark Sullivan recently wrote about
how "Raymond's is a different writing style than much hardboiled, kind of a
DEGREE ZERO writing, very matter of fact, little or no engagement." And
while Mark and I came to different conclusions about the book, I thought he
summed up Raymond's style very well.

>> according to an interview I read,considering how much disdain he had for
>> the general reading public, he probably wouldn't have wanted massive
>> popular success, either. He succeeded in that, too.

>..which is strange. Holding up popular success as some kind of measure
>is pointless. Raymong cared passionately for his subject. That's why
>he wrote the books he did. He was a gentle, thoughtful and warm man.
>I never met him but have met a few who did, including Mark Timlin, who
>still talks passionately about Raymond (The only man to change his name *to*
>Derek, as Timlin is fond of saying)

Hey, he could be Mother Theresa for all I know. I just didn't like his
book, although a lot of people, including you, Pete, thought I would. I
thought I would too. I didn't. Whether he was a nice guy or not (or whether
he sold a bamillion books or not) doesn't really come into the factor.

>Besides, anyone who can drink that much and stay upright desreves some
>respect.

Yep, it's a well-known fact: alcoholism is the mark of true genius. I guess
I'm just not drinking enough...

**************************************************
Kevin Smith
The Thrilling Detective Web Site
http://www.colba.net/~kvnsmith/thrillingdetective/

This month: New fiction by Terry White and Henry Mazel,
and Stand-Alone Private Eye Novels

#
# To unsubscribe, say "unsubscribe rara-avis" to majordomo@icomm.ca.
# The web pages for the list are at http://www.vex.net/~buff/rara-avis/.