So Kerry, what are some titles you would suggest in your "favorite sub-genre sub-genre" of "tragic noir"?
Mark
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> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:24:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Random Notes On Redemption
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> Mark:
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> A tale that illustrates the pointlessness, the impossibility of redemption? Noir, then.
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> Although if you believe in redemption then you might find it tragic. Tragic noir, perhaps.
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> That might be my favourite sub-genre sub-genre.
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> I've gone bald splitting hairs on this list. Unless you've some to spare?
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> Kerry
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> Kerry wrote:
> "I know I'm repeating myself here, but for me the defining characteristic of noir is that it is not just the failure of redemption but the complete absence and pointlessness of redemption. The desire for or the attempt to achieve redemption and failing to do so, a "cautionary tale" as you put it, is tragedy."
> I see your point about what I brought up being tragedy. But what about a tale of someone who believes in redemption, even seeks it, in a world where it is absent, impossible to achieve? Does that failure to recognize reality still make it tragedy, is that blindness a fatal flaw, or something else instead or in addition to tragedy?
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