"I know I'm repeating myself here, but for me the defining characteristic of noir is that it is not just the failure of redemption but the complete absence and pointlessness of redemption. The desire for or the attempt to achieve redemption and failing to do so, a "cautionary tale" as you put it, is tragedy." I see your point about what I brought up being tragedy. But what about a tale of someone who believes in redemption, even seeks it, in a world where it is absent, impossible to achieve? Does that failure to recognize reality still make it tragedy, is that blindness a fatal flaw, or something else instead or in addition to tragedy?
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