Nope, my paper was done in pre-internet days. Hell, it was done in pre-computer (at least pre-home PC) days.
Mark
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> From: bengt@mediaimorronidag.se
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:32:32 +0200
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Vietnam noir
>
> Sorry, I havenīt mailed till now. My mailserver took a rest, suddenly
> and unexpected.
>
> The paper you wrote about post-Vietnam detetective Novels, is it on the
> net somewhere I can read it?
>
> And no, I havenīt read either Sympathy for the devil by Kent Anderson or Dog
> Soldiers
> by Robert Stone but I certainly will, as soon as possible.
>
> Bengt E
>
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> From: "Mark Sullivan" <DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net>
> To: "rara-avis" <rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:46 PM
> Subject: RE: RARA-AVIS: Vietnam noir
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> >
> > I actually wrote a paper on that way back when, "From GI to PI: The
> > Post-Vietnam Hard-boiled Detective Novel." I was writing long before
> > Connelly, Burke or Cole were writing and was already finding a number of
> > vets among the wave of new PIs: along with Crumley's Sughrue, Spenser,
> > Peter Israel's BF Cage, Gregory McDonald's Fletch and Timothy Harris's
> > Thomas Kyd were all veterans. The latter says:
> > "For some reason clients trust inverstigators with war records. They
> > assume you're going to be methodical and tough. I didn't see any reason
> > to tell Joe Eleval that of the four soldiers in the picture, one had as
> > oil-burning junk habit, one had been court martialed for black market
> > activities, another was now in a Mexican jail for drug possession, and the
> > fourth, whose name was Thomas Kyd, had spent a month under psychiatric
> > observation in a military hospital. I didn't tell him that it had taken
> > me over three years to get out of the habit of throwing myself flat on the
> > street when I heard a car backfiring. Was it the picture of me with a
> > crew cut and in officer's uniform that decided him? I'll never know. He
> > frowned at it a long time."
> > There have been many since, including those you note. Wasn't Rob Kanter's
> > Ben Perkins also a vet? Wasn't Mac Bolan a vet, too? Wasn't that where
> > he was when his family was destroyed?
> > And, as you also note, there are a lot of bad guys who got their skills
> > there.
> >
> > Of course, that's nothing new. I found that PI series writing seemed to
> > have booms after wars, WW I, II and Korea before Vietnam.
> > World War I
> > Joseph Shaw in the intro to Hard-boiled Omnibus: "We returned from a five
> > year sojourn abroad during and following the First World War . . ."
> > World War II
> > Lew Archer in Doomsters: "ever since the Army, big institutions depressed
> > me: channels, red tape, protocol, buck-passing, hurry up and wait."
> > (Another character in the book was defined by the Korean conflict: "Tom
> > had played his part in the postwar rebellion that turned so many boys
> > against authority.")
> >
> > And if you're interested in Vietnam noir, you should really check out
> > Robert Stone's excellent Dog Soldiers.
> > Mark
> >
> >> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: bengt@mediaimorronidag.se
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35:08 +0200
> >> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Vietnam noir
> >>
> >> Still writing about James Crumley, thinking:
> >>
> >> Could one say there is a "new" genre inside the noir genre that could be
> >> called Vietnam noir, possibly with the word trauma in the middle.
> >>
> >> There seem to be so many detectives (police or private) in (and also
> >> outside) the American noir and hard-boiled genres who are Vietnam
> >> veterans:
> >> Harry Bosch (Michael Connely), Dave Robicheaux (James Lee Burke), Elvis
> >> Cole
> >> (Robert Crais) and more.. ???
> >>
> >> And C.W. Sughrue (Crumley), as well - and most? In the Sughrue novels
> >> Vietnam seems to be alive so to speak more than in most other Vietnam
> >> (trauma) noir, or am I wrong?
> >>
> >> Och then there must be loots of Vietnam vets on the bad side in American
> >> noir fiction.
> >>
> >> Is it right to talk about noir after Vietnam, did the Vietnam war change
> >> both noir and hard-boiled crime writing? And what will happen after the
> >> Irak
> >> war?
> >>
> >> Bengt
> >>
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