Re: RARA-AVIS: A Clockwork Orange - spoiler

From: Nathan Cain (
Date: 02 Feb 2009

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    I think he meant that given free will, man will often choose evil. Not that man always chooses evil. At least that's how I read it.

    On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Brian Thornton
    <> wrote:
    > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, <> wrote:
    >> >while I can appreciate the sentiment that the 21st chapter bestows upon
    >> the
    >> >work, I personally prefer the darker, more ironic message of the the
    >> truncated
    >> >version. but that's just because for me, noir is a philosophy. and the
    >> >idea that given free will, man chooses evil sums up that philosophy
    >> perfectly
    > John-
    > Thanks for the interesting bits on A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
    > I must take up your statement above, though. The notion that "given free
    > will, man chooses evil sums up that philosophy perfectly" gave me pause.
    > After all, this statement strikes me as (perhaps intentionally, perhaps not)
    > decidedly deterministic. I find that ironic, given the idea of "free
    > will." Your summation above seems to push the point that "free will" is not
    > actually "free." (e.g. the notion that given an unencumbered "choice" that
    > the individual will always choose is that actually "free"?)
    > While that's hardly a new notion (see book one of Milton's PARADISE LOST,
    > for example), it does seem pretty broad brush coming from someone whose
    > posts I've enjoyed for many years chiefly because of their erudition and the
    > subtlety of the insights expressed within them.
    > So is it "free will" if the unencumbered choice is always the same one?
    > I realize it might seem as if I am setting up a straw man here, but the
    > question is sincere.
    > What do the rest of the Rare Birds think?
    > All the Best-
    > Brian
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