Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Piccirilli (was: Re: Jack O'Connell's top 10 books of 2008)

From: Sandra Ruttan (
Date: 10 Jan 2009

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    I'll leave it to others - I won't bite. I've had these conversations.

    But I will say this: noir is extremely overused, to the point where it's been so diluted it's a meaningless term and I do think that it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, for a series to be truly noir.
     It may be dark, but that's not really the same thing.

    I'll sit back with my popcorn now that I've stirred the pot, but to bring it back to point, I've since had it pointed out to me The Coldest Mile has been referred to as a sequel. Haven't had a chance to check yet if it's really is just a sequel, or if it's a series. That again may prompt me to readjust my assessment.

    Cheers, Sandra

    On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Brian Thornton
    <> wrote:
    > Gee, how did I know that a thread that combined the words "noir," "strict'
    > and "definition" would draw Jim's attention!
    > ;)
    > Let the games begin (again.... and.... again... and...)
    > All the Best-
    > Brian
    > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM, JIM DOHERTY <>wrote:
    >> Sandra,
    >> Re your comment below:
    >> "In truth, it's very hard to do a series that's truly noir, because the
    >> strictest definitions of noir require the death or destruction (ie: in
    >> an asylum) of the protagonist in the end."
    >> The strcitest definitions of noir require that it be a crime story that an
    >> atmosphere that is dark and sinister. ANything stricter than that is
    >> simply
    >> incorrect.

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