Cicadas are also chirping in here in CT and I'll join you with a glass
of Faugères; and will carry on in Béziers later for the feria.
Speaking of ferias, bullfighting can be pretty noir, but I suspect
rara-avian listeros would have little time for it, so I'll stop right
here.
jean-pierre jacquet
On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Steve Novak wrote:
> Cicadas just started chirping in southeast Michigan yesterday for
> the first
> time this year after a lot of wet weather...thank god for the
> wonderful
> chirping...which brings us here close to Costa-Rica and southwestern
> France...
>
> I’ll drink to that,
>
> ...a noir syrah of course...
>
> Montois
>
> On 7/25/08 10:12 AM, "davezeltserman" <davezelt@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rara-avis-l%40yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > "Sandra Ruttan" <sandraruttan@...>
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >
> >> > I'm not intending to nitpick, but this idea of motivation as a
> critical
> >> > component really struck me. I guess I feel that if someone has
> all good
> >> > motivations and is really trying hard to fix some problem/stop
> > something bad
> >> > from happening and they fail, it's more likely to be noir. At
> the very
> >> > least, it's more depressing.
> >
> > I would call that more irony. If we label every book where bad
> things
> > happen to characters as noir, then almost everything written gets
> > labeled noir. I think at some point you have to go to the works of
> the
> > authors more universally recognized as writing in the noir tradition
> > to better define literary noir. But I also think Mario has it right,
> > each of us has our own internal definition of noir and know it
> when we
> > see it.
> >
> >> > That said, I'm content to let noir be defined by the
> individual, as the
> >> > argument over what is and is not noir is one that nobody will
> ever
> > win, and
> >> > thus an exercise in futility.
> >
> > But Sandra, don't you know what we do here at Rara Avis is argue the
> > definition of noir? Our cycle is briefer than the cicadas, probably
> > every 2 years, but once it happens we'll go through a 2-3 week
> > "discussion" with the same passionate arguments brought out. And
> like
> > the cicadas, it usually amounts to a lot of chirping...
> >
> > --Dave
> >
>
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>
>
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