Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Super Heroes, Comics, and Noir

From: jean-pierre jacquet (jacquet@optonline.net)
Date: 25 Jul 2008

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    Cicadas are also chirping in here in CT and I'll join you with a glass of Faugères; and will carry on in Béziers later for the feria. Speaking of ferias, bullfighting can be pretty noir, but I suspect rara-avian listeros would have little time for it, so I'll stop right here. jean-pierre jacquet On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Steve Novak wrote:

    > Cicadas just started chirping in southeast Michigan yesterday for
    > the first
    > time this year after a lot of wet weather...thank god for the
    > wonderful
    > chirping...which brings us here close to Costa-Rica and southwestern
    > France...
    >
    > I’ll drink to that,
    >
    > ...a noir syrah of course...
    >
    > Montois
    >
    > On 7/25/08 10:12 AM, "davezeltserman" <davezelt@rcn.com> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rara-avis-l%40yahoogroups.com
    > > ,
    > > "Sandra Ruttan" <sandraruttan@...>
    > > wrote:
    > >> >
    > >
    > >> > I'm not intending to nitpick, but this idea of motivation as a
    > critical
    > >> > component really struck me. I guess I feel that if someone has
    > all good
    > >> > motivations and is really trying hard to fix some problem/stop
    > > something bad
    > >> > from happening and they fail, it's more likely to be noir. At
    > the very
    > >> > least, it's more depressing.
    > >
    > > I would call that more irony. If we label every book where bad
    > things
    > > happen to characters as noir, then almost everything written gets
    > > labeled noir. I think at some point you have to go to the works of
    > the
    > > authors more universally recognized as writing in the noir tradition
    > > to better define literary noir. But I also think Mario has it right,
    > > each of us has our own internal definition of noir and know it
    > when we
    > > see it.
    > >
    > >> > That said, I'm content to let noir be defined by the
    > individual, as the
    > >> > argument over what is and is not noir is one that nobody will
    > ever
    > > win, and
    > >> > thus an exercise in futility.
    > >
    > > But Sandra, don't you know what we do here at Rara Avis is argue the
    > > definition of noir? Our cycle is briefer than the cicadas, probably
    > > every 2 years, but once it happens we'll go through a 2-3 week
    > > "discussion" with the same passionate arguments brought out. And
    > like
    > > the cicadas, it usually amounts to a lot of chirping...
    > >
    > > --Dave
    > >
    >
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    >
    >

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