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Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:16:51 -0400
From: DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net
To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: glorifying violence (was Re: RARA-AVIS: Elmore Leonard)
> Jordan,
>
> Thanks for answering my question. With the exception of Natural Born
> Killers (which, by the way, is extremely different from Tarantino's
> screenplay, not that it's much better; the Belgian film Man Bites Dog
> did the idea much better, as QT has also said) and From Dusk to Dawn, I
> like the films you didn't, like all the films he directed himself (agree
> he's the worst actor in the world, though). However, I can think of
> other films that do strike me the way those did you (I tend to avoid
> slasher films, for instance). So I think it may just be a matter of
> different thresholds that separates us.
>
> I also agree that seeing it and reading about it can provoke very
> different reactions. But again we disagree on the specifics. For
> instance, I thought Caught Stealing was great, and often funny.
> However, I stopped reading Rex Miller's Slob.
>
> Gotta ask, though: you said you watched Jackie Brown for Pam Grier. How
> is its violence any more excessive than Foxy Brown, Coffy or Friday
> Foster? Or than many other blaxploitation films?
>
> Still, this discussion intrigues me. For instance, is excessive
> violence the same as glorified violence? Yes, Pesci's character in Good
> Fellas was excessively violent, but glorification implies to me an
> endorsement and I don't see Scorsese as endorsing Pesci's violence.
First of all, let me say I'm not trying to make a debate. Feel free to disagree with my opinions.
I do feel that Pesci's character in Good Fellas reveled in his sadism. However, I do realize the real mobster actually did those things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_DeSimone
With Tarrantino, it's all fiction. I do feel there is a difference between the violence level in his movies as opposed to most Blaxploitation movies. Jackie Brown was Tarrantino's attempt to play nice.
By the way, I thought about a few other series I dropped after the first book because I couldn't identify with the protagonists (not about violence at all):
Easy Rawlins - Walter Mosley
Joe Gregory - Ed Dee
Jordan
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