RARA-AVIS: Glory-frying

From: Steve Novak (Cinefrog@comcast.net)
Date: 21 Jul 2008

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    Here we go again...

    These things have been talked about many times on Rara on Rompol (Fr) on Europolar...wherever...who cares...this subject has been debated before about some damn film, or some damn book, or some damn graphic novel...or whatever form of personal/political discourse (murder/mayhem/spanish inquisition/kkk/...what have ya...whatever suits your fancy, your ethnic affiliation, your religious masturbation, your anger)....or practice
    (garrote/bomb/PPK/Berreta/bare hands/laptop-ipod cable, water down the throat, pretty poison, razor slash on achilleıs tendons, burning medieval oil...)....

    ...can anybody identify, isolate, demonstrate, certify, legitimaze...whatever is in the ³gloryfying violence² stigma/definition/presupposition/supposition...and whatever variations you fancy...can anybody do that with a straight face and a Œreasonableı amount of literary Œlogicı in any of our discussion groups...for lack of any other def.....

    As I have said before here, I belong for many years, to discussion groups about Nick Cave, the aussie singer I have seen maqny times across the US...now, for any of you, is The Proposition (a noir aussie western if you had to find one) ladden with Œglorifyingı violence...or then what would you say about Bad Lieutenant (glorifying drug, smak and masturbation maybe???) or The Wild Bunch (glorifying slo-mo blood spurting and pistol shooting)....

    The reason we have these discussions, these discussion groups is because there are many criminals occurences, many criminals, many people who chase them too, many countries, many social classes ...etc...and some witnesses to all this general mayhem feel either compelled or drawn to bring it out in novels or film or graphic drawings...

    Is Hammet gratiutous/glorifying...is Tardi...is Tarantino...is Fernando Mereilles (City of God), is Ken Bruen or David Goodis, is Willeford or Sam Pekinpah....is John Woo....

    Itıs all in the Eye of The Behoder (cf Marc Behm), itıs all in the context, in what the viewer/reader bring Œto the partyı....ıto the showı (boy, do I hate this terminology for a film!!!)....to his/her/their own experience and fate...and the way they choose to walk under that beam...

    But to talk about Œglorifyingı (very close to gore-ifying, mindıya....and that tells you about the frame set)...or about Œgratuitousı as examples of
    ³bad², of ³out-of-bounds²...etc...etc...is to enter territories where, in fact, our interests lie, where writers wallow, where readers/viewers sway....

    Films may be bad, books may rub away in a few lines, but to dismiss/reject/ignore/segregate...etc...because of Œglorifyingı or
    Œgratuitousı or any form of violence for that matter, is quite ludicrous given the subject of these discussion groups...

    Just a few slashing thoughts....

    Montois....

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