I haven't been contributing much lately, being down to the end of my three-year project, but here is the url of what I thought was an interesting review of a book of Michael Chabon's book of non-fiction entitled, MAPS AND LEGENDS, Reading and Writing Along the Borderlands. (It appeared in last Sunday's NYTimes book review.
My impression is that many if not most here have a similar impression that genre can, and often is, literature.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/books/review/Kamine-t.html?_r=1&ref=review&oref=slogin
I hope this is of interest to a few of you.
Jack Bludis
http://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
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> From: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com <rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Digest Number 2013
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:21 AM
> There are 21 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. How Like An Angel
> From: demack5@comcast.net
> 1b. Re: How Like An Angel
> From: funkmasterj@runbox.com
>
> 2a. Re: How important are chapters?
> From: terry bowman
> 2b. Re: How important are chapters?
> From: Rob Kantner
>
> 3. Richard Stark Covers
> From: Bill Crider
>
> 4.1. Shell Scott
> From: Joy Matkowski
> 4.2. Re: Shell Scott
> From: Ed Lynskey
> 4.3. Re: Shell Scott
> From: James Reasoner
>
> 5a. Re: Ed McBain on writing dialog and keeping a fresh
> viewpoint
> From: Patrick King
>
> 6a. A Crime SuspenStory
> From: Jeff Vorzimmer
> 6b. Re: A Crime SuspenStory
> From: Gerald W Page
>
> 7a. Chapters
> From: capnbob@nventure.com
> 7b. Re: Chapters
> From: davezeltserman
> 7c. Re: Chapters
> From: Allan Guthrie
> 7d. Re: Chapters
> From: James Reasoner
> 7e. Re: Chapters
> From: Gerald W Page
> 7f. Re: Chapters
> From: DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net
> 7g. Gehman's DRIVEN...
> From: Ron Clinton
> 7h. Re: Gehman's DRIVEN...
> From: Jeff Vorzimmer
> 7i. Re: Gehman's DRIVEN...
> From: BaxDeal@aol.com
>
> 8. The Violence and the Fury
> From: ssshapir
>
>
> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. How Like An Angel
> Posted by: "demack5@comcast.net"
> demack5@comcast.net infogirl2k
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:03 am ((PDT))
>
> >I just finished reading How
> >Like an Angel and enjoyed it. I didn't really find
> the ending that
> >downbeat for a hardboiled book.
>
> Really? I seem to recollect a lot of people of people
> dying--or maybe they just disappeared. It's been a
> while since I read it. But the last line (which I actually
> saw coming) reflected a tragedy of sorts--at least, I
> thought so.
>
> Debbi
>
> --
> Debbi Mack
> IDENTITY CRISIS
> A Sam McRae Mystery
> http://www.debbimack.com
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: How Like An Angel
> Posted by: "funkmasterj@runbox.com"
> funkmasterj@runbox.com gogomasterj
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 9:51 am ((PDT))
>
> ----- Start Original Message -----
> Sent: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:03:08 +0000
> From: demack5@comcast.net
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com (Rara Avis)
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: How Like An Angel
>
> > >I just finished reading How
> > >Like an Angel and enjoyed it. I didn't really
> find the ending that
> > >downbeat for a hardboiled book.
> >
> > Really? I seem to recollect a lot of people of people
> dying--or maybe they just disappeared. It's been a
> while since I read it. But the last line (which I actually
> saw coming) reflected a tragedy of sorts--at least, I
> thought so.
> >
> Well, I saw it coming too.
>
> Jordan
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2a. Re: How important are chapters?
> Posted by: "terry bowman"
> foolesgold@gmail.com foolesgold
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:06 am ((PDT))
>
> This is a topic that's near and dear to my heart. I
> don't have a problem
> with the way anyone else formats their books, but I am
> moving away
> from numbering and/or naming chapters. While the words will
> always
> be the most important element in any story, the way the
> words fall on
> the page can add or detract from the overall appeal of the
> book. Being
> an old slam poet and spoken word guy probably gives me this
> view.
>
> I'm playing with dropcaps as a way to go from scene to
> scene, while
> using line breaks to pause or skip within a scene. But I
> believe that
> there is no true 'right' or 'wrong' in this
> matter. It's all aesthetics and
> personal preference.
>
> tb
>
> --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kantner"
> <rob@...> wrote:
> >
> > Like many, I've always segmented books into
> chapters. Sometimes
> > chapter breaks are consistent with episode breaks,
> sometimes not. My
> > habit has been to put a chapter break at a place where
> there's an
> > element of suspense that will propel the reader to
> start the next
> > chapter rather than picking that place to quit
> reading.
> >
> > But I've had the thought, in working on the new
> one -- how important
> > is it to break a book into chapters? If you have
> episodes with an
> > obvious break in between them, what is the point of
> also designating
> > chapters with numbers, etc.? Back in the day, chapters
> often had
> > titles, which when done right provided another element
> of suspense.
> > That's not done much any more (and I've never
> done it).
> >
> > Longwinded way of asking the wizards of RA, especially
> as readers: how
> > important is it, in your mind, for a book to be
> divided into chapters?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rob Kantner
> > www.robkantner.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2b. Re: How important are chapters?
> Posted by: "Rob Kantner" rob@9sg.com
> charris5005
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:21 am ((PDT))
>
> Thanks to all the responders. Very helpful and interesting.
> May I just
> add that I _do_ have structure for the book - there's a
> teaser labeled
> "prologue," a postscript labeled
> "epilogue," and the balance is
> organized into 5 parts identified with names of seasons but
> not
> numbered. (The story begins during one summer and ends
> during the
> following one.) Having done the spade work, I've gone
> into draft, and
> that's where I ran into the consideration about having
> (and numbering)
> defined chapters. I'm not going to mess with them. The
> way the tale is
> set up, I think it will rip along better without having
> those gulfs to
> jump across.
>
> Rgds
> Rob Kantner
> www.robkantner.com
>
>
> --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "terry
> bowman" <foolesgold@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is a topic that's near and dear to my heart.
> I don't have a problem
> > with the way anyone else formats their books,
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (7)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 3. Richard Stark Covers
> Posted by: "Bill Crider"
> macavityabc@gmail.com macavityabc
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:06 am ((PDT))
>
> A while back, Juri asked if I could do a slideshow of the
> pb original covers
> of the Richard Stark/Donald Westlake books about Parker. I
> did, and it can
> be seen here: *http://tinyurl.com/5c7axw
>
> Bill Crider
> *
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (1)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 4.1. Shell Scott
> Posted by: "Joy Matkowski"
> jmatkowski1@comcast.net joymatkowski
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:39 am ((PDT))
>
> On my summer vacation, I read Prather's Case of the
> Vanishing Beauty and
> found it just as you described it. The "tomatoes"
> stuff isn't annoying, and
> the piles upon piles of metaphors are indeed funny. I
> figure spacing these
> books is better than reading them all at once because I
> could get tired of
> "hotter than a welder's torch" and
> "getting less attention than rest rooms"
> pretty quickly.
> The plot revolved around a fake for-profit religious
> cult in California,
> an overused theme. Even Christopher Brookmyre did one of
> these. But not many
> books also focus on knife-throwing acts and their targets.
> I look forward to reading the rest of this stash,
> spread out over the
> next year or so.
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (41)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 4.2. Re: Shell Scott
> Posted by: "Ed Lynskey" e_lynskey@yahoo.com
> e_lynskey
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:26 pm ((PDT))
>
> Your reading experience with Shell Scott is similar to
> mine. He's an author to read on occasion for a change
> of pace. I've a copy of his STRIP FOR MURDER around
> somewhere I'll probably give a try this summer. Shell
> Scott is a good summertime leisurely read.
>
>
> Ed
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Joy Matkowski
> <jmatkowski1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Joy Matkowski <jmatkowski1@comcast.net>
> > Subject: RARA-AVIS: Shell Scott
> > To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:39 PM
> > On my summer vacation, I read Prather's Case of
> the
> > Vanishing Beauty and
> > found it just as you described it. The
> "tomatoes"
> > stuff isn't annoying, and
> > the piles upon piles of metaphors are indeed funny. I
> > figure spacing these
> > books is better than reading them all at once because
> I
> > could get tired of
> > "hotter than a welder's torch" and
> > "getting less attention than rest rooms"
> > pretty quickly.
> > The plot revolved around a fake for-profit
> religious
> > cult in California,
> > an overused theme. Even Christopher Brookmyre did one
> of
> > these. But not many
> > books also focus on knife-throwing acts and their
> targets.
> > I look forward to reading the rest of this stash,
> > spread out over the
> > next year or so.
> >
> > Joy
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > RARA-AVIS home page:
> http://www.miskatonic.org/rara-avis/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 4.3. Re: Shell Scott
> Posted by: "James Reasoner"
> jamesreasoner@flash.net james53jr
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:46 pm ((PDT))
>
> STRIP FOR MURDER has the funniest scene in the whole Shell
> Scott series, as far as I'm concerned. Those who have
> read it probably know which scene I'm talking about.
>
> James Reasoner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Lynskey
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Shell Scott
>
>
> Your reading experience with Shell Scott is similar to
> mine. He's an author to read on occasion for a change
> of pace. I've a copy of his STRIP FOR MURDER around
> somewhere I'll probably give a try this summer. Shell
> Scott is a good summertime leisurely read.
>
> Ed
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Joy Matkowski
> <jmatkowski1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Joy Matkowski <jmatkowski1@comcast.net>
> > Subject: RARA-AVIS: Shell Scott
> > To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:39 PM
> > On my summer vacation, I read Prather's Case of
> the
> > Vanishing Beauty and
> > found it just as you described it. The
> "tomatoes"
> > stuff isn't annoying, and
> > the piles upon piles of metaphors are indeed funny.
> I
> > figure spacing these
> > books is better than reading them all at once
> because I
> > could get tired of
> > "hotter than a welder's torch" and
> > "getting less attention than rest rooms"
> > pretty quickly.
> > The plot revolved around a fake for-profit religious
> > cult in California,
> > an overused theme. Even Christopher Brookmyre did
> one of
> > these. But not many
> > books also focus on knife-throwing acts and their
> targets.
> > I look forward to reading the rest of this stash,
> > spread out over the
> > next year or so.
> >
> > Joy
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > RARA-AVIS home page:
> http://www.miskatonic.org/rara-avis/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 5a. Re: Ed McBain on writing dialog and keeping a fresh
> viewpoint
> Posted by: "Patrick King" abrasax93@yahoo.com
> abrasax93
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 10:53 am ((PDT))
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Duane Spurlock
> <duane1spur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> In this interview with Evan Hunter, "Ed McBain"
> says he has some 87th Precinct books planned for posthumous
> release. Anyone know if he ever wrote those books, and if
> there are plans to publish them?
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nGU33qL_ sv0
>
> - Duane Spurlock
> ******************************************
>
> Ed McBain is one of my favorite authors. Thanks for that
> great link.
>
> Patrick King
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 6a. A Crime SuspenStory
> Posted by: "Jeff Vorzimmer"
> jvorzimmer@austin.rr.com jvorzimmer
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:38 am ((PDT))
>
> After reading David Hajdu's The Ten-Cent plague, I
> started (re)reading some issues of EC's Crime
> SuspenStories comic books and was surprised to find that
> the very first story in the first issue was the same story
> as the very first episode of Alfred Hitichock Presents with
> very minor differences. In the EC version, entitled
> "Murder May Boomerang" the crime victim was an
> older man, rather than the young female in AHP's
> "Revenge". Somebody on the list was just asking
> recently about this story, so it was kind of a coincidence.
> Could these stories have come from the same source? The EC
> book doesn't credit anybody but the artist, Johnny
> Craig,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 6b. Re: A Crime SuspenStory
> Posted by: "Gerald W Page"
> geraldpage@earthlink.net
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:25 pm ((PDT))
>
> I remember an interview, probably with Al Feldstein, where
> he said that the EC stories he wrote were all worked out by
> him and publisher William Gaines. Gaines was a big reader,
> so he would read stuff in the evening and come in the next
> day and work out his version; Feldstein would then write
> it up. They probably couldn't get away with that today,
> although maybe they could, too.
>
> The most famous result of this is that they used a Ray
> Bradbury story, and Bradbury happened to read the comic
> book. Instead of threatening to sue them, he wrote them a
> letter asking for payment and suggesting they work out an
> arrangement that would allow them to use Bradbury stories
> in the future. That's why EC comics ended up publishing
> so many Bradbury tales. Years later Ballentyne Books
> reprinted a bunch of them in paperback and Bradbury's
> intro is (I think) where I got the information about his
> part.
>
> I remember that they also used one of HP Lovecraft's
> stories once, I think it was "The Terrible Old
> Man." Derleth was a comic fan, but I don't know
> that he ever complained about it.
>
> Feldstein edited most of the EC Comics but Harvey Kurtzman
> and Johnny Craig (who were better writers than Feldstein)
> usually had a book of their own going. If Johnny Craig was
> listed as the editor, he probably prepared the stories,
> either in script form or thumbnails.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Vorzimmer
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:38 PM
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: A Crime SuspenStory
>
>
> After reading David Hajdu's The Ten-Cent plague, I
> started (re)reading some issues of EC's Crime
> SuspenStories comic books and was surprised to find that
> the very first story in the first issue was the same story
> as the very first episode of Alfred Hitichock Presents with
> very minor differences. In the EC version, entitled
> "Murder May Boomerang" the crime victim was an
> older man, rather than the young female in AHP's
> "Revenge". Somebody on the list was just asking
> recently about this story, so it was kind of a coincidence.
> Could these stories have come from the same source? The EC
> book doesn't credit anybody but the artist, Johnny
> Craig,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7a. Chapters
> Posted by: "capnbob@nventure.com"
> capnbob@nventure.com Garryowen7
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:24 pm ((PDT))
>
> I'm a big advocate of chapters. Ever try to read Moll
> Flanders? One long slog, IMO. Chapters leave handy places
> to stop reading, break up the narrative into cohesive
> sections, and help create reference points as one Avian
> pointed out. I've read books with 12 chapters and
> equally-long books with 50 chapters. I've read chapters
> of 50 words or less, and some that were as sprawling as
> Texas. Each worked for me in the context of the novel. If
> someone wants to get cute and literary and eschew chapters
> (as well as punctuation, capitals, paragraphs, etc.), be my
> guest. I won't read it.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (9)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7b. Re: Chapters
> Posted by: "davezeltserman" davezelt@rcn.com
> davezeltserman
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:30 pm ((PDT))
>
> If done rights, chapter breaks enhance the book by giving
> you a good
> place to pause to reflect or to put the book down for the
> night.
> Chapter headings may be archaic but they can still be
> effective, as
> demonstrated by The Dain Curse. I also like what Ken Bruen
> has done
> with quotations at the top of each chapter. A good example
> of a recent
> HCC reprint that does chapter breaks well is Zero Cool by
> John Lange.
>
> --Dave Z.
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (9)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7c. Re: Chapters
> Posted by: "Allan Guthrie"
> allan@allanguthrie.co.uk al_guthrie65
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:36 pm ((PDT))
>
> I don't think anyone's arguing against chapters,
> Capn. Unless I've missed a
> post somewhere. I love them, personally. The more the
> merrier. Postcard
> style.
>
> Al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <capnbob@nventure.com>
> To: <rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:23 PM
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Chapters
>
>
> > I'm a big advocate of chapters. Ever try to read
> Moll Flanders? One long
> > slog, IMO. Chapters leave handy places to stop
> reading, break up the
> > narrative into cohesive sections, and help create
> reference points as one
> > Avian pointed out. I've read books with 12
> chapters and equally-long books
> > with 50 chapters. I've read chapters of 50 words
> or less, and some that
> > were as sprawling as Texas. Each worked for me in the
> context of the
> > novel. If someone wants to get cute and literary and
> eschew chapters (as
> > well as punctuation, capitals, paragraphs, etc.), be
> my guest. I won't
> > read it.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (9)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7d. Re: Chapters
> Posted by: "James Reasoner"
> jamesreasoner@flash.net james53jr
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:47 pm ((PDT))
>
> I like chapters in a book, too, although I don't care
> if they're numbered or have titles. I even like having
> numbered sections within each chapter, although that's a
> pretty old-fashioned technique. I used to dislike short
> chapters, but I've found that the older I get the more
> I like them (sort of like large print). They say people
> shrink as they get older; maybe my attention span is, too.
>
> James Reasoner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: capnbob@nventure.com
> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:23 PM
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Chapters
>
>
> I'm a big advocate of chapters. Ever try to read Moll
> Flanders? One long slog, IMO. Chapters leave handy places to
> stop reading, break up the narrative into cohesive sections,
> and help create reference points as one Avian pointed out.
> I've read books with 12 chapters and equally-long books
> with 50 chapters. I've read chapters of 50 words or
> less, and some that were as sprawling as Texas. Each worked
> for me in the context of the novel. If someone wants to get
> cute and literary and eschew chapters (as well as
> punctuation, capitals, paragraphs, etc.), be my guest. I
> won't read it.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7e. Re: Chapters
> Posted by: "Gerald W Page"
> geraldpage@earthlink.net
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:28 pm ((PDT))
>
> Chapters are a great way to control the rhythm of a long
> story, and a lot of
> writers frankly use them to make a story easier to read.
> Max Brand and
> Alexander Dumas Sr. were master at this.
>
> Jerry
>
> From: capnbob@nventure.com
>
>
> I'm a big advocate of chapters. Ever try to read Moll
> Flanders? One long
> slog, IMO. Chapters leave handy places to stop reading,
> break up the
> narrative into cohesive sections, and help create reference
> points as one
> Avian pointed out. I've read books with 12 chapters and
> equally-long books
> with 50 chapters. I've read chapters of 50 words or
> less, and some that were
> as sprawling as Texas. Each worked for me in the context of
> the novel. If
> someone wants to get cute and literary and eschew chapters
> (as well as
> punctuation, capitals, paragraphs, etc.), be my guest. I
> won't read it.
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (9)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7f. Re: Chapters
> Posted by: "DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net"
> DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:59 pm ((PDT))
>
> Capn Bob wrote:
>
> "If someone wants to get cute and literary and eschew
> chapters (as well
> as punctuation, capitals, paragraphs, etc.), be my guest. I
> won't read
> it."
>
> Sounds like Selby's Last Exit to Brooklyn. But
> somehow, he pulled it
> off.
>
> But I'm with you in general. I like chapters, with or
> without number of
> title, long or short, but more than just a few spaces
> (though those are
> fine within chapters). I see the spaces as the scene
> breaks and the
> chapters as commercial or episode breaks. That's how
> Michael Koryta
> uses them in the book I'm currently reading, A Welcome
> Grace, for
> instance
>
> I think the best chapter breaks have at least a little bit
> of a
> cliffhanger, make it hard to stop, make you think, sure,
> it's late, but
> maybe I have time for just one more chapter, then another,
> . . . Or
> they give you a little added incentive to pick it up gai
> the next day.
> Plus as someone (I think Patrick) wrote, they give you an
> opportunity to
> pause and digest.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 7g. Gehman's DRIVEN...
> Posted by: "Ron Clinton"
> clinton65@comcast.net ronclinton65
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:52 pm ((PDT))
>
> I finally got around to reading THE FINE ART OF MURDER, and
> was intrigued by
> the following statement by George Tuttle:
>
> "The best remembered of these super-size [Gold Medal]
> novels was the noir
> classic DRIVEN by Richard Gehmen (sp). Dick Carroll
> thought so much of this
> book that he made arrangements to have the book published
> simultaneously by
> the hardcover publisher David McKay. For publicity, Gold
> Medal and David
> McKay jointly gave a cocktail party on April 1, 1954, to
> celebrate [its
> release]."
>
> Has anyone read this novel? I'd heard of it in passing
> once or twice
> before, but had never sought it out and am now thinking
> perhaps I should.
> For a "noir classic" it seems to have kept a
> pretty low profile.
>
> Ron C.
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> 7h. Re: Gehman's DRIVEN...
> Posted by: "Jeff Vorzimmer"
> jvorzimmer@austin.rr.com jvorzimmer
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:33 pm ((PDT))
>
> > Has anyone read this novel? I'd heard of it in
> passing once or twice
> > before, but had never sought it out and am now
> thinking perhaps I should.
> > For a "noir classic" it seems to have kept a
> pretty low profile.
>
> It's very good, yes. A noir classic, no. I believe
> it's the only novel
> Gehman ever wrote. Everything else I've seen by him is
> non-fiction. I
> recently picked up a book he wrote on Sinatra and The Rat
> Pack. The first
> biography of The Rat Pack I think. Haven't gotten
> around to reading it.
>
> But, anyway, Driven is one of those novels that's
> highly praised, but
> difficult to find. It seems the harder a good book is to
> find, the more it's
> praised.
>
> Jeff
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> 7i. Re: Gehman's DRIVEN...
> Posted by: "BaxDeal@aol.com" BaxDeal@aol.com
> baxdeal
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:36 pm ((PDT))
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>
> In a message dated 7/2/08 8:34:04 PM,
> jvorzimmer@austin.rr.com writes:
>
>
> > It seems the harder a good book is to find, the more
> it's
> > praised.
> >
> >
>
> such is the stuff of legend
>
> John Lau
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> 8. The Violence and the Fury
> Posted by: "ssshapir" ssshapir@yahoo.com
> ssshapir
> Date: Thu Jul 3, 2008 2:11 am ((PDT))
>
> I recently watched Hitch-Hike (aka. Autostop rosso sangue).
> A 70's
> Italian noir flick with Franco Nero, David Hess and Corinne
> Clery.
> It's dark and cynical and harboiled as hell. Based on a
> novel by
> Patrick Kane called `The Violence and the Fury'.
>
> Does anyone know anything about this book and its author?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sean Shapiro
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