----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008
11:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick King <
abrasax93@yahoo.com> To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS:
Changing standards for masculinity (behavioral, not just
muscle)
> --- jacquesdebierue <
jacquesdebierue@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > How about the "behavioral" changes in
masculinity,
> > say, among the PIs
> > and other heroes of hardboiled land? Me, I
think
> > Ross Macdonald gave
> > the kiss of death to the macho warrior, at
least in
> > the PI subgenre.
> >
> > Have we come a long way from Three Gun
Terry,
> > Cardigan and Mike
> > Hammer? I somehow doubt that those types
of
> > operatives would go over
> > well today.
> >
> > Overall, I think crime writing has gotten much
more
> > realistic, in a
> > sense, it is much better today - not to deny
the
> > attractions of the
> > older, pulp-style heroes, of which I'm a great
fan
> > and will always
> > remain so.
>
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> Speaking of realism and behavioral changes, in
a
> conversation about James Bond recently, it was
pointed
> out to me that in espionage, bi-sexuality is
a
> requirement. both Mata Hari and T.E. Lawrence had
this
> ability. While we see reference or implication in
the
> work of Graham Green, John LeCarre, and
Frederick
> Forsyth, it is seldom referred to directly in
books
> about spies.
I'm slow getting around to reading my emails but:
Someone I know who worked in intelligence told me a while
back that James Bond was a bit of a satire since it was well
known that British intelligence was well known to have a
homosexual bent. Ironically, the one author who I've read who
did write spy novels where homosexuality is directly
referenced is John Gardner, who later wrote many James Bond
books. He wrote 3 Railton Family novels: Secret Generations,
The Secret Houses, and The Secret Families. These novels
directly address this.
Jordan
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