RARA-AVIS: Re: This Sporting Life.... Noir and Class

From: Charlie Williams ( cs_will@hotmail.com)
Date: 21 Feb 2008

Which brings us back to rugby (or whatever wholesome team sport you care to pick), which represents the antithesis of alienation, which is maybe why there is a dearth of noir and hardboiled stories in that area. Of course, all you have to do is get one of the team alienated and you have a story. But I still think there are other factors at play that stop rugby going all noir.


---------- charliewilliams.net

--- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Steve Novak <Cinefrog@...> wrote:
> In other words, I mean in other word, noir and harboiled are
stories of
> alienation (as in Œcrime¹)....
> How¹s that?
> Montois
> On 2/20/08 6:48 PM, "Patrick King" <abrasax93@...> wrote:
> I'd say much more than "class, colour, money,
> > education, status and sex," the clashes that occur in
> > noir and hardboiled fiction are between the lucky and
> > the unlucky in life. Most stories concern someone
> > who's been very lucky or unlucky, and how their luck
> > shifts and then shifts back. Sometimes the shift
> > occurs due to hard work and intelligent planning
> > (Mildren Pierce, The Godfather), Or criminal activity
> > (The Grifters, Postman Always Rings Twice), but
> > suddenly something that looks like great good fortune
> > fails, or a gravytrain that looked like it would run
> > forever is routed out, or someone who's never had a
> > bit of luck fianlly sees an opportunity. Class,
> > colour, money, education, status and sex are really
> > just the underpinning of the story. You could reverse
> > any of these in a well-written noir story, and still
> > have just as good a tale as long as the reversals of
> > fortune hold true.
> >
> > Patrick King
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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