Re: RARA-AVIS: Before the Devil Knoiws You're Dead (was Re: No Country for Old Men [the movie])

From: Patrick King ( abrasax93@yahoo.com)
Date: 15 Nov 2007


Let's get something straight between the stuttering: have you seen MYSTERY TRAIN?

Patrick King
--- Terrill Lankford < lankford2000@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Patrick King < abrasax93@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Nov 14, 2007 1:09 PM
> >To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Before the Devil Knoiws
> You're Dead (was Re: No Country for Old Men [the
> movie])
> >
> >
> >--- Terrill Lankford < lankford2000@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >> Um, have you seen THE KILLING? (Just for
> starters.)
> >>
> >> Tarantino certainly has.
> >*****************************************
> >
> >Umm, ya mean Kubrick's first film? Umm, yeah, I
> think
> >I've seen it five or six times.
>
>
> Uh, er, um, no, I don't mean Kubrick's first film. I
> mean his movie THE KILLING, which is his third (I
> believe) feature film. Er, ug, um, but who's
> counting?
>
>
>
> But it doesn't quite
> >do the same thing to the audience that MYSTERY
> TRAIN
> >and PULP FICTION do: that is show the ending in the
> >middle, then telegraph it from another point of
> view
> >at the end. That was a unique idea of Jarmusch's,
> used
> >very effectively by Tarantino.
> >
>
>
> You're actually going to split hairs like this and
> claim Jarmusch invented something structurally with
> Mystery Train? I guess that's about as acurate as
> claiming The Killing is Kubrick's first film. Uh,
> er, ooga booga.
>
>
>
> >THE KILLING starts at the end, brings you back
> through
> >the events but it doesn't completely change
> >perspective the way the other two movies do.
>
>
>
> It doesn't? It doesn't tell the story at different
> times from different character's points of view? Um,
> pffft!, okay. So Mystery Train and Pulp Fiction
> aren't note for note remakes of The Killing? Now I
> see the light! Crash! Bam! Boom!
>
> Filmmakers have been messing with story telling
> structure for a very long time. (I only brought up
> The Killing because it was the first film that my
> fevered brain could think of that I thought was an
> obvious influence on Pulp Fiction.) It is highly
> doubtful that Jarmusch actually invented anything
> that hadn't been done before. Tarantino may be a
> great "borrower" of film technique, but his
> vocabulary runs far deeper than just Jim Jarmusch
> movies. And he seems to prefer much older and much
> seedier films. Patrick, do you know if Tarantino has
> ever listed movies that influenced the structure of
> PF?
>
> (BTW - I'm totally in agreement with whoever said
> that QT's biggest influence seems to be Elmore
> Leonard.)
>
>
> > While I'm
> >sure Kubrick was an influence on both of these
> >directors, the technique I'm talking about was not
> one
> >I've seen him use in any of his films. And, ummm,
> yes,
> >I think I've seen them all.
> >
>
>
> And, umm, er, I'm now sure that you obviously
> haven't. (But that's only, um, "cough", based on
> your own statements. Aieeee!)
>
> (Hey, I'm on strike. This is what happens when I
> have too much time on my hands.)
>
>
>

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