Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Chandler's The Lady in the Lake

From: Robert Elkin (
Date: 08 Nov 2007

Jim wrote: I've never read DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP, so I can't speak to how Dick fans may respond to BLADE RUNNER.

Personally, I always wished that BLADE RUNNER wouldn't have eliminated the entire plotline from ANDROIDS involving the whole "electric sheep" angle. But that's me, I guess. Dick loved it, from what I've heard. Aldrich's KMD rocks--especially the close-ups of Hammer's face as he gets off on administering pain. Rob

----- Original Message ---- From: jimdohertyjr <> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 11:38:36 PM Subject: RARA-AVIS: Re: Chandler's The Lady in the Lake



Re your comments below:

> Are you amazed that Spillane fans *might* like the

> film version of "Kiss Me, Deadly" or Philip K Dick

> fans *might* like "Bladerunner" ?

Despite Robert Aldrich's assertion that he intended KISS ME DEADLY to

be an "anti-Spillane" film, it was faithul to Spillane's vision in

more respects than it was unfaithful. Meeker's version of Hammer,

though something of a brute rather than a driven avenger,

nevertheless brought out Hammer's determination, his skill at combat,

his loyalty to friends, and his affection for Velda. Hammer may have

been depicted in less flattering terms than Spillane intended, but he

wasn't ransformed into an inconsequential nebbish like Gould's

Marlowe was. Ultimately, according to those who knew Spillane well,

even Spillane eventually admitted that Meeker's was the best

depiction of his character.

So, no, it doesn't amaze me that Spillane fans might like Aldrich's

version of KISS ME DEADLY, but I don't think the two cases are


I've never read DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP, so I can't speak

to how Dick fans may respond to BLADE RUNNER.

> My take is this:

> "Chinatown" is a great film because it wasn't a

> derivative costume drama or a faux noir. It ain't

> neo-noir. It's a period piece that loses all the

> predictable tropes of hard-boiled and finds its own

> expression. Altman for once got it right in "The Long

> Goodbye." His rambling reinvention of the PI (with

> only the car as an anachronistic hint) replaced what

> could easily have become parody. And it works for me.

> I started the film expecting to hate it. Most Altman

> films don't have much of a shelf life. But "The Long

> Goodbye" cut itself off from the clutter of the novel

> and got to the heart. That is a rare adaptation.

I'm not sure what CHINATOWN has to do with this discussion, but no

doubt that's because I never actually read what you write.

As for Altman, he really DID intend to make an anti-Chandler picture

and succeeded far better than Aldrich did in making an anti-Spillane

picture. And it's precisely because he succeeded so well that I so

thoroughly dislike the film.





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