Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: The definition of literature

From: Nathan Cain ( IndieCrime@gmail.com)
Date: 05 Nov 2007


I don't own a copy either, but I'm certain I remember the title page carrying the label "an entertainment." Greene's wikipedia entry says he considered his thrillers as entertainments, and Brighton Rock certaintly falls into that category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene#Novels_and_other_works

An entry on biblio.com (which is almost exactly the same as the wikipedia entry) explicitly references Brighton Rock as an entertainment:

"His fiction was originally divided into two genres: thrillers or mystery/suspense books, such as Brighton Rock< http://www.biblio.com/search.php?tid=&auid=&stage=1&author=greene&title=rock>, that he himself cast as "entertainments" but which often included a notable philosophical edge, and literary works such as The Power and the Glory< http://www.biblio.com/search.php?tid=&auid=&stage=1&author=greene&title=power>, on which his reputation was thought to be based."

On 11/5/07, Stephen Burridge < stephen.burridge@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have a copy of "Brighton Rock", but I read a library copy a
> few months ago, and I don't think it was one of the books Greene
> called "entertainments".
>
> Stephen
>
> On Nov 5, 2007 1:54 PM, Nathan Cain < IndieCrime@gmail.com<IndieCrime%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I going to have to say that I'm confused about Brighton Rock being
> labeled
> > an "entertainment" since it dealt with some pretty weighty themes. I'm
> > really not sure what Greene meant by his use of that term, because it
> > implies that the works he considered serious were not meant to be
> > entertaining. Maybe it was the Catholic in him, trying to separate the
> > earthly from the spiritual, or something like that. Perhaps there was a
> > conviction that fun things shouldn't be serious and serious things can't
> > possibly be fun.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/5/07, scatalogic@aol.com <scatalogic%40aol.com> <
> scatalogic@aol.com <scatalogic%40aol.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > "I find a special intensity in his writing, regardless of
> > > topic. Greene may be much undervalued, still, by the literary
> > > establishment."
> > >
> > > Greene's interesting in terms of this discussion isn't he, in that he
> did
> > > split his works into the 'entertainments' and serious literature and
> the
> > > entertainments tend to be the works that come under Rara Avis's large
> and
> > > flexible
> > > umbrella. I used to be quite annoyed with Greene for doing this (a
> > > particularly stupid and pointless rage I'll freely admit - I think I
> was
> > > annoyed he
> > > didn't consider Brighton Rock serious when I did!) and I've just been
> > > having a
> > > quick flick through the Norman Sherry biography (though I only have
> the
> > > first
> > > volume, to 1939, here) to see if I can find anything on this division,
> > > which
> > > I can't, beyond a brief snippet that Brighton Rock was intended as a
> > > thriller
> > > and "an entertainment" - I'd be grateful if anyone does know.
> > >
> > > I think Greene is magnificent and love his 'entertainments' probably
> more
> > > than his 'serious' works, particularly Brighton Rock, Our Man in
> Havana
> > > and A
> > > Gun For Sale, I think you'll love Ministry of Fear: an entertainment,
> too
> > > (what a magnificent title) and it is certainly noir - although Graham
> > > Greene
> > > makes me think of a particularly English greyness. I've never seen the
> > > Fritz Lang
> > > film, but scan the TV schedules for a showing.
> > >
> > > Is he undervalued? I hope not and in my brief searchings I've just
> found
> > > Stamboul Train has been voted as the best novel of 1932 by a panel at
> the
> > > Cheltenham Literary Festival (Britain's biggest) given the odd task of
> > > awarding
> > > Booker prizes for pre-Booker years or something similar.
> > >
> > > I've always thought of Chandler being similar in sensibility to Greene
> and
> > >
> > > vice versa, but just found this quote from Big Uncle Raymond:
> > > "Am reading The Heart of the Matter, a chapter at a time. It has
> > > everything
> > > in it that makes literature -- except verve, wit, gusto, music, and
> > > magic...
> > > There is more life in the worst chapter Dickens or Thackeray ever
> wrote,
> > > and
> > > they wrote some pretty awful chapters."
> > >
> > > Cheers all, Colin.
> > >
> > > Join my Church: www.myspace.com/thereverendspadgedooley
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