Re: RARA-AVIS: Screwing up

From: Kevin Greenlee (
Date: 29 Oct 2007

I think I agree with just about everything Nathan said except for the part about Ellison being talented.

As to the Connie Willis business, Ellison now says he did not touch her breast. However, in a post on his site back on August 31, 2006 said there was the
"slightest touch." (and went on to somehow try to blame Connie Willis for the whole thing). In an August 29, 2006 post he wrote "iT IS UNCONSCIONABLE FOR A MAN TO GRAB A WOMAN'S BREAST WITHOUT HER EXPLICIT PERMISSION. To do otherwise is to go
'way over the line in terms of invasion of someone's personal space. It is crude behavior at best, and actionable behavior at worst. When George W> Bush massaged the back of the neck of that female foreign dignitary, we were all justly appalled. For me to grab Connie's breast is in excusable, indefensible, gauche, and properly offensive to any observers or those who heard of it later. I agree wholeheartedly."

So- is Ellison lying now when he says he did not touch her breast or was he lying last August when he said he did?

On 10/29/07, Nathan Cain <> wrote:
> When I was in college, I think it was back in 97 or 98 I went to see Mr.
> Ellison speak on campus. I was very tired from lack of sleep (I had either
> been studying or partying or both, I don't really remember the reason),
> and
> apparently I didn't look suitably enthralled by his speech so he walked up
> to me, put his finger in my face, and said something along the lines of
> I'd
> better pay attention and that I "didn't want to fuck with him." My point
> is
> that while Ellison is very talented, he is also a jerk with a huge ego and
> fuck him sideways.
> On 10/29/07, Rick Ollerman < <>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think I've inadvertantly screwed up and I apologize. As a regular
> > reader and sometime participant on Harlan Ellison's board, a place
> > where people regularly mention places they've come across Harlan's
> > name or his work, I mentioned that he was being mentioned over here.
> > I think that since he is occasionally attacked on other websites,
> > concern was expressed.
> >
> > As I said, I put myself in the middle by conveying the news, and
> > Harlan himself made this request:
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Would you kindly go to "rara avis" -- a Latin phrase that goes way
> > way back before Hammett used it -- and tell Richard Moore thank you
> > for the kind words, and advise him that no matter what he THINKS he
> > saw in the video...
> >
> > I DID NOT...
> > EVER...
> >
> > I need no foregiveness, because it didn't happen.
> >
> > Similarly, despite how many times it's repeated, or how widely
> > believed, I never threw a fan down an elevator shaft, I never dropped
> > a chandelier on a ballroom full of meet-&-greets, no "big blonde" in
> > an elevator ever called me "little fuck," and
> >
> > I
> > DID
> > NOT
> > EVER
> > TIT.
> >
> > And I'm pretty fuckin' tired of hearing it over and over.
> >
> > Please pass that along, verbatim, if you will be so kind.
> >
> > Oh, and by the way, if anyone--Mr. Moore included--would like to read
> > an accurate refutation of the sillyass Willis-tit canard, they can
> > find it in a recent edition of THE FREE PAPER, published in
> > Cleveland. With photo.
> >
> > Yr. Pal, Harlan
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > For my part, I am very sorry I communicated anything to anyone and
> > would dearly like to pass away lonely and forgotten.
> >
> >
> >
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