Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Spade falling in love

From: Patrick King (
Date: 12 Oct 2007

Well, for one thing, Irene Adler is a con woman who resorts to extortion as her first method of acquiring what she wants. That does imply a world view developed by very personal events, typical of sociopathy. I don't see any indication in the Doyle stories that prove or imply Adler capable of empathy or love. Her sense of justice is very similar to that of Guttman or Lechter: selective and aligned with the "game" she thinks is being played, completely a pathological trait. Holmes is, of course, himself a psychopathic personality. That he has, for the most part, turned his pathology in acceptable directions is his saving grace. But in how many stories does he solve the crime yet determine the perpetrator's acts are justified and does not bring the criminal to law? A Study In Scarlet is just one example of this completely psychotic propensity of his.

Patrick King
--- JIM DOHERTY <> wrote:

> Patrick,
> Re your comment below:
> "Both O'Shaunnasy & Adler are sociopaths,
> speculatively both were probably abused in
> childhood."
> Her I DO have t disagree. What is there about Irene
> Adler that makes you label her a sociopath. She's
> capable of empathy, and of love. She has a sense of
> justice, and, a sense of decency.
> MOreover, she seems, from Conan Doyle's POV, and
> ultimately from Holmes's ad Watson's, to have
> justice
> on her side.
> Unlike Brigid she doesn't kill people
> indiscriminately, and unlike Brigid, she doesn't use
> her sexuality to manipulate people. Where do you
> see
> the sociopathy?
> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you
> sell.

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