Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: A Mathematical Answer to What Films are Noir

From: Steve Novak ( Cinefrog@comcast.net)
Date: 06 Aug 2007


You are very right: the otherwise excellent House of Bamboo is not exactly noir and the commentary of Ursini and Silver in the 20th Century Fox DVD version explain quite well why and might serve as a guide for the search being done here...

Montois

On 8/6/07 10:20 AM, "JIM DOHERTY" < jimdohertyjr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Re your question below:
>
> "Are there any films from in the classic period that
> were shot in color? I can't think of any."
>
> I can't think of any either. In fact, particularly
> during that classic period, the available color
> technology had the effect of making the films so
> well-lighted that the atmospherics were completely
> changed and crime films, despite having similar
> themes, plots, and characters to those films generally
> regarded as noir, just couldn't quite get that noir
> feel.
>
> A good example is HOUSE OF BAMBOO, a wide-screen
> Technicolor epic about an undercover cop infiltrating
> a criminal organization. It's a scene-for-scene,
> sometimes line-for-line, remake of an earlier film,
> THE STREET WITH NO NAME, which was filmed in B&W, and
> is unquestionably a film noir.
>
> Another is the 1954 feature-length version of DRAGNET.
> Though the TV series at that time had the same kind
> of noir-ish, B&W photographic effects, has been
> described as "film noir in miniature," the film,
> though as shadowy as color cinematography could get at
> that time, just can't quite get the same dark and
> sinister atmosphere.
>
> By nothing more than the simple use of color, exactly
> the same story becomes non-noir because of the loss of
> the atmospheric qualities possible in B&W.
>
> BTW, other post-TOUCH OF EVIL noir candidates that
> might be considered: UNDERWORLD U.S.A. (1960), HELL
> IS A CITY (1960), EXPERIMENT IN TERROR (1962), THE SPY
> WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD (1964), and IN COLD BLOOD
> (1967).
>
> JIM DOHERTY
>
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Steve Novak Cinefrog@comcast.net

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