Re: RARA-AVIS: Types of noir (was Re: Pop. 1280)

From: Kerry J. Schooley (
Date: 28 Jul 2007

At 10:46 AM 28/07/2007, you wrote:

>"Shakespeare's Macbeth comes to mind. Great noir scene with her trying
>to wash the blood from her hands. Lots of (gratuitous?) violence, too.
>Bill was a crowd pleaser."
>"So, do you think Macbeth is psycho noir? Who is the psycho? I can't see
>Macbeth as noir, let alone psycho noir..."


>Kurosawa made it as Throne of Blood, but I don't consider it noir.

tragedy- transcendence possible, but not achieved noir- precludes transcendence hardboil- tough and colloquial

I think it's time we admit too that the popular notion of noir runs very close to Jim's definition (dark and sinister) and thus rendered the term meaningless, as predicted here.

Best, Kerry

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