Re: RARA-AVIS: Types of noir (was Re: Pop. 1280)

From: Brian Thornton (
Date: 28 Jul 2007

That begs to the question: if MACBETH was noir, then what the hall would you call HAMLET? After all, one of the working definitions of noir is that your protagonist is "fucked on page one, and things go downhill from there."

Sounds like the melancholy Dane to me.

All the Best-


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Michael Robison
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:40 AM
  Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Types of noir (was Re: Pop. 1280)

  Mario wrote:

  The first psycho noir novel I know of is _The Right
  Red Hand_ by Joel Townsley Rogers. But the genre did
  exist long before, in the fantasy and sci-fi pulps
  (the work of Sturgeon, Wandrei, etc.).

  Shakespeare's Macbeth comes to mind. Great noir scene
  with her trying to wash the blood from her hands.
  Lots of (gratuitous?) violence, too. Bill was a crowd


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