Brian asked:
> Brian,
>
> Re your comment below:
>
> "We can't even agree on any sort of
comprehensive
> definition of 'hb/noir.'"
And Jim Doherty responded:
> Sure we can.
>
> If it's tough and colloquial, it's
hard-boiled.
>
> If it's dark and sinister, it's noir.
>
> If it's tough and colloquial AND dark and
sinister,
> it's both hard-boiled and noir.
>
> THAT was settled AGES ago. How did you manage to
miss
> it?
Maybe settled for Jim, but I still say the definition of noir
is "screwed."
The old Gothic novels were dark and sinister, so are the
modern erotic vampire novels ... Noir, nah.
The definition of hardboiled is "tough." Makes no difference
if it's colloquial. No way Chandler was colloquial ... I know
Jim will argue this too. But being literate doesn't exclude a
character or a book from being hardboiled.
The settlement, as Jim calls it, was that we just got tired
of discussing it.
Jack
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