Re: RARA-AVIS: Everything's Noir?

From: William Ahearn (
Date: 20 May 2007

--- Michael Robison <> wrote:

> *****************
> I agree. Most of the hardboiled detectives who win
> at
> the end are too tough for noir fiction and don't
> have
> the right amount of angst. Film noir and noir
> fiction
> have parallels in content, but they aren't
> identical.
As with the Maltese Falcon. Hardboiled, not noir. The real difference to me -- as someone stated recently -- is that the protagonist is destroyed as the result of his behavior as enticed by an outside force usually an immoral (for want of a better word) woman. James M. Cain's work is a perfect example as is Detour and Gun Crazy and especially Woolrich's Waltz Into Darkness that could be a noir opera. I'm rethinking Red Harvest as noir. The book Strangers On A Train is noir, the movie isn't. At least that's where I'm going with this.


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