Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: willie or not

From: Patrick King (
Date: 14 Dec 2006

So, Jacques, are you saying that readers who analyze plots are kidding themselves; they're not really analyzing the plot? Oscar Wilde said "Books are well-written or poorly written," in defense of so-called "immoral books." Are you denying that a book can be poorly written and that someone may notice the fact? Are you arguing that all books hold the same value? One kills time working on the stock exchange or for world peace just as well as reading a book. Some people read a book, notice story twists and language usage, apply it to their own ideas and write other books. I think that's the general academic opinion of how good books come to be written.

Patrick King
--- Jacques Debierue <> wrote:

> --- In, Patrick King
> <abrasax93@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't get your point, Jacques. In your own
> example,
> > obviously, both Ellington fans are correct.
> Ellington
> > is a composer who can be appreciated by both types
> of
> > listeners. It's seems to me you're claiming that
> the
> > person who considers what s/he reads is less valid
> > than a person who reads without consideration,
> just to
> > kill time. I'm sure that's not what you mean. What
> are
> > you driving at?
> >
> They're both killing time. That is what one does
> when reading. Any generalization about
> what happens inside a reader's head is gratuitous.
> You and I may both enjoy Jim
> Thompson, but neither can draw conclusions about
> what's going on while the other reads.
> For that matter, I don't know what's going on inside
> _my_ head while I'm reading. I can't
> read and simultaneously contemplate myself
> reading...
> So your distinction between the "escapist" (or let's
> say "hedonist") reader and the "serious"
> (or dedicated, or considered, or whatever positive
> adjective you want to use) is not
> functional: you cannot even know whether you
> yourself are being one or the other, or
> something else, while you read a book.
> Books are like girls, you can read the ones that are
> best for you and not like them or even
> understand them, and the opposite is also true (in
> fact, getting involved with the wrong
> kind of girl is a classic noir theme, the femme
> fatale).
> Best,
> MrT

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