Re: RARA-AVIS: can noir writers advocate social reform?

From: Patrick King ( abrasax93@yahoo.com)
Date: 28 Nov 2006


Miker said:> Huh? Character flaw? Are you implying a breach of personal responsibility? Surely you jest. This poor man was obviously a victim of a corrupted political system. Why, with the proper "social reform," one that nurtured him and accepted him as he is without presuming to judge him, he could have been a college professor of bioethics.
 
******************************************* I did not state or imply that the political system is a priori "corrupt," but it is certainly flawed by "I'm too busy" disinterest. Any system, be it Roosevelt's USA or Czarist Russia, that does not involve itself with the total education and welfare of its peasants is going to produce brutal, angry peasants. To my mind, this is the point of all of Thompson's and Cain's novels. It is also Dostoyevsky's and Tolstoy's point. The latter got their point across too late. It remains to be seen whether Thompson and Cain had greater success. Surely you don't believe that Dolly was born a murderer? How about Roy Dillon in The Grifters? Dolly has only an average IQ, Roy has a very high IQ but even this will not free him from the influence of his environment. His mother, too, is a brilliant woman, but becoming pregnant at 14 limits her opportunities in that society. Yet she makes the most of those still open to her. The pseudo-moral attitude of the society from which these people emerge makes them what they are. Look at Pat in Recoil: his initial crime is almost a mistake, an opportunity he, as a kid, just couln't walk away from. He comes out of prison eager to do right and get ahead. And he is brought down by the powerful people who claim to want to help him but are slaves to their own corruption, the very tools they used to achieve the power of which they're so proud. These are all vicious cycle narratives. There are no supernatural elements that drive these people. The elements of their errors are in their environment. Given the same opportuinites, you, too, could either do nothing and live in poverty, or do as they do and become criminals. You may argue, if you like, that Thompson's implications are incorrect, but you may not argue that he's not making those implications as the same points come up in book after book. Only the character's abilities change and that is the real sentence of hopelessness Thompson serves on our social order.

Patrick King

--- Michael Robison < miker_zspider@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dave Zeltserman wrote:
>
> This is where we have our disagreement--I see
> Dillon's
> brutal nature due to a severe personality flaw--as
> highlighted throughout the book of his being a
> hardluck guy who keeps making the worse of his
> situations.
>
> **********
> Huh? Character flaw? Are you implying a breach of
> personal responsibility? Surely you jest. This
> poor
> man was obviously a victim of a corrupted political
> system. Why, with the proper "social reform," one
> that nurtured him and accepted him as he is without
> presuming to judge him, he could have been a college
> professor of bioethics.
>
> miker
>
>
>
>
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