Re: RARA-AVIS: Sleuth Poll/"America's"

From: Bill Kelly (
Date: 23 Jul 2006

Mark, I appreciate you relating the analysis regarding your strategy for compiling the list. Perhaps you will doing another show at some point and Marlowe (and others) will make the list. Thanks again. Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mmiano3
  Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Sleuth Poll/"America's"

  John, Bill, thanks for the comments.

> Even given that it's a TV/movie list, how the *heck* did Philip
> Marlowe not make the list?
> -- John Woolley

  It's a good question, how Marlowe didn't make the list. I agree with
  the points made by both of you. Let me try to explain some of the
  reasoning that went into the decision (and, it was a difficult one).

  Instead of picking sleuths who were part of many movies or tv shows,
  we decided to pick the iconic appearance of a sleuth in a film or tv

  So, for example, we chose Basil Rathbone as our "Sherlock Holmes,"
  even though many actors have depicted him over the years. My good
  friend, Jack LesCamela, a member on this list, was very bothered that
  we didn't choose Jeremy Brett's Holmes since he feels that's the
  greatest depiction of the legendary detective. I think we got that
  one right.

  For Marlowe, we felt that the iconic version of him was Bogart's
  depiction in Howard Hawks's "The Big Sleep." However we felt that
  since there was already a Bogart entry, we shouldn't include him

  I don't offer this as a rebuttal or excuse - just to explain the
  reasoning behind the decision. I voted to include Bogart twice, but
  was outnumbered. I think we got that wrong, but this is my job and
  sometimes I'm forced to live with decisions I don't necessarily agree

  There's a few other sleuths who didn't make the list that I'm
  surprised no one has mentioned yet. For me, the most painful
  ommission is Jake Gittes from "Chinatown." Unfortunately, we could
  not get clip consent from Jack Nicholson - and rather than try to
  depict that sleuth with still photos, we opted to drop him. Another
  unfortunate omission, in my opinion, is Popeye Doyle from "The French
  Connection." Again, no clip consent from the actor makes it very
  difficult to demonstrate why that sleuth is so worthy of inclusion.

  Obviously, this is not a perfect list. While we will strive to do
  our best, I can guarantee it won't be a perfect show. Few are. But
  we'll do the best we can and I'm hopeful we'll come out with a show
  that's interesting, informative, and entertaining.

  I do appreciate you guys taking a moment to look at the list, perhaps
  vote for your favorites there, and raise discussion about it.



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