Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: noirs

Date: 22 Mar 2006

Brandt wrote:

"After all, there are no "new" stories.(the Beverly Hillbillies and Crocodile Dundee are, essentially, the same story. Fish out of water)"

There's a big difference between morphology and the direct modelling or influence Bill was talking about.

"Since most stories in the bible center around sacrifice and redemption, we can find this to be a recurring theme in most ficiton, certainly along the lines were discussing."

Certainly there are thematic similarities, but is there direct modelling? For instance, Propp (and others) have broken folktales down into a number of constituent elements. However, different stories can combine various elements into distinct stories. For instance, there are lots of hardboiled and/or noir stories that revolve around a search for a "dingus," but that doesn't mean Shooting Elvis or Caught Stealing were directly modelled on The Maltese Falcon. And Caught Stealing, for instance, also contains a "wrong man" element, but that doesn't mean it was directly modelled on North by Northwest. On the other hand, God Is A Bullet was pretty clearly modelled on The Searchers (as were, to varying degrees, the movies Taxi Driver, Hardcore and Star Wars).


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