RARA-AVIS: Re: Hardboiled genealogy

From: meganabbott2000 ( meganabbott@hotmail.com)
Date: 06 Feb 2006

Hi, again: I use the films primarily for students to consider the different adapative choices that were made and possible reasons why--e.g., the romance btw. Marlowe and Vivian in Hawks's The Big Sleep vs. what we find in Chandler. Or, as another example, the shift from the mob-as-enemy in Kiss Me Deadly to the atomic threat.

Thanks for the fantastic suggestions---believe me, as this hits Mach II, I will give Rara-Avis full credit!

--- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "George Tuttle" <noirfiction@...> wrote:
> She does a great job in trying to make the word "genealogy" work. It
> could never be as easy as "Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat
> Jacob." As a sidenote, it seems to me that there should be some
> mention of Edgar Wallace, somewhere, as a pre-hardboiled influence,
> since he plays such a part in the concept of the thriller prior to the
> hardboiled era. Also, I would prefer to say, "Rise of the Paperback
> Original." Paperbacks from 1939-1949 were just a repackaging of other
> existing media (mostly hardcover, with some pulp and a little slick
> fiction tossed in). Of course, there is Spillane whose paperback
> reprints did do much to change the status quo, but that would put the
> year as 1948, not 1939. Also, are Goodis and Williford's heroes really
> psychotic? I am very curious about her definition of hardboiled and
> noir (but aren't we all, always, endlessly). That said, her genealogy
> is better than anything I could create. I liked it and applaud her for
> attempting it.
> As for the syllabus, is anyone else uncomfortable with the use of
> films in a literature course or at lease in the choice of these
> particular films in a discussion of the shaping of the hardboiled genre?
> George the Librarian

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