Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: noir

From: Kerry J. Schooley (
Date: 01 Oct 2005

At 09:28 AM 01/10/2005 -0400, Frederick Zackel wrote:

>And I started thinking about our current bunch of All-American creationists
>and Intelligent Designers, (twisting Dave Z.'s words) "all grasping for
>whatever hope they can get a glimmer of only to have it ripped away." In a
>universe of chaos, those religionists (?) are noir. They are screwed. To
>twist Kerry J. Schooley's words, they "aspire to a set of values that have
>no meaning outside their world... It is a set of values that can only be
>maintained with a lot of work done for no purpose other than to try to make
>that particular set of values work, and the strength of character to ignore
>the obvious consequences of that work..." Without Providence, without a
>loving personal god who makes sense and who watches over them, they're

Yeah, this is cool. For now. You should probably add Jim's POV too, that noir is what it was defined as in the early to mid twentieth century- crime writing evoking a dark atmosphere because that's what a handful of influential publishers of the time used to define the stories they were publishing.

Why he should choose those particular set of experts, and not earlier critics and others who used such terms as roman noir, or others who followed (excluding moi, of course) who saw other things as well, I don't know, but it is still valuable input.

Noir, like any form of writing, is a creative activity and it's going to evolve and change, and be hard to categorize precisely. Has a certain writer transcended noir, or extended it? To discuss such things is just another way of considering the writer's work.

Best, Kerry

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