Re: RARA-AVIS: Bouchercon article

From: Karin Montin (
Date: 24 Sep 2005

Dave, I don't quite get the difference between creating your own fate by being born broken and being screwed by fate. Are you saying that being born a certain way is an intentional act?


At 04:15 24/09/05 +0000, Dave Z wrote:

>To me noir is more a sense of doom than tragedy. More times than not
>the protagonist creates their own fate, either by being born broken,
>as in some of the great Jim Thompson novels (Killer Inside Me, A
>Swell-Looking Babe, Pop. 1280, etc) or by crossing a moral line, for
>committing murder for a woman, money, just to see if you can get
>away with it, etc., such as Double Indemnity, Postman Always Rings
>Twice, The name of the Game is Death. Great noir novels, such as Mr.
>Arkadin and How Like a God are outside the realm of the working-
>class. And then you've got Charles Willeford, who created some
>brillian tnoir novels based on artists refusing to compromise their
>artistic vision. Yeah, there are some examples of people who are
>screwed more by fate than their own actions, such as the film
>Detour, but in my opinion the best examples (and most prevalent) of
>noir involve the protagonist's bad decisions, moral weaknesses, or
>simply broken psyches than the whims of fate. Tragedy is one thing,
>noir is something completely different.

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