Re: RARA-AVIS: Hardboiled and Existentialism

From: Michael Robison (
Date: 16 May 2005

Tim Wohlforth wrote:

However, the existentialist puts huge weight on free choice, the ability of the individual to create his or her own morality and world. A case could be made that the noir outlook, which Michael Robison sees as
"pessimistic determinism" is definitely not existentialist. The existentialist accepts no form of determinism pessimistic or not.

**************** The existentialist does place a lot of value on free choice, but doesn't deny that society limits a person's choices. Because society limits a person's choices, it also limits what they can be, creating the classic antagonistic relationship between a character and society that runs through almost all existential literature. So I would say that pessimistic determinism is the existential result of a repressive society.

Take the above with a grain of salt. I know damn little about literature, and even less about philosophy.


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