Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Humor and irony in noir

From: Kerry J. Schooley ( gsp.schoo@murderoutthere.com)
Date: 22 Oct 2004


At 02:43 PM 22/10/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Chandler was a hardboiled writer, not a noir writer. Put some of
>those funny lines into a typical David Goodis downer and see
>where it gets you...

I know it is the consensus of this list that Chandler is not noir, but it is not one I agree with, even if Chandler himself defined the genre in romantic terms. I don't say this to re-open debate. Points that have been made to limit Chandler to hardboil are valid, but I'd like to suggest that as a world view (Eddie Muller listed this as one definition of noir at that increasingly infamous Bouchercon panel) it is valid for the reader to bring a noir point of view into a work that the author may not have intended.

Also, I'd like to say that I find these discussions valuable and enjoyable, even when I disagree with the consensus. My thanks to you all for this indulgence. Sometime soon I must take up your suggestion regarding Goodis.

Best Kerry

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